Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 5

[ICouldBeVioletSky]

Starting a continuation thread in anticipation of the fourth one filling up…

www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5301690-whitehall-braced-for-private-schools-collapse-4?page=39

I find the thought of working with engaged representative exciting because Labour are the opposite of that.

Never mind that they are a bunch of bigoted racist idiots as long as they keep on top of their admin. If only it were funny.

You know what, @twistyizzy?I’m trying very hard to have a sensible and respectful conversation here. Feel free to join in!

And the fact you have that very attitude is what has lead to the landslide today. Start taking them seriously, just calling them names only makes them stronger and in turn makes you look like the bigot!

Labour have turned me into a 1 issue voter. So yeah, I will work with any party that promises to overturn this policy. I would have thought that was pretty evident over the last 5 threads!!!!

We still have the outcome of legal challenge + any appeal but in the meantime awaiting announcement of reshuffle where BP is swiftly deposed. Hopefully to Ambassador of Outer Mongolia!

I am deadly serious. The principle is the same.
You want to tax something based on privilege and the fact not everyone can access it. Well at least make it fair and apply that to everything! At least I could then take you seriously.

I find it very ironic that you're telling me how it should be for "elite talent" after you participated in actions that thrashed Frankie Keita's and my DD's dreams to develop their talent. You still approve of what's being done to them and many other talented children so there is no remorse. Both Frankie and my DD come from single parent households, you're "posh and rich" - and you're assaulting them from a position of privilege like a "true leftie".

It's interesting for me to see how we've arrived at the point where "a millionaire" and "Labour party leader" as well as "posh and rich" and "true leftie" ceased to be oxymorons. It is rather amusing.

"Elite talent" is a tiny group btw. General talent is of course a large pool, but if you're against something that is "completely inaccessible to anyone but a tiny group", you're against elite talent, by default. Team GB is inaccessible to anyone but a tiny group.

I don't think for a moment it has something to do with jealousy or anything like that. It looks like a deep ideological delusion. It's causing damage to other people's children atm but it will of course damage your DC's lives too. Anyway... I'm writing all this absolutely neutrally, more like a sociological or social philosophy observation. The world has much more serious problems and in 2-5 years time we will all be living in a very different environment. The blackouts have already started, and it's usually a sign of advanced infrastructural problems. I wouldn't be focusing on ideological holy wars and sacrificing other people's children on the altar of social justice.

I am very clearly talking about the party Reform. And if anyone wants to call me a bigot for calling them out as the right wing racist bigots, then I can't say I would give a toss. It's clear that you would be a one issue voter. And if you would rather vote for that lot just to get rid of VAT then that's your call of course. But it rings a bit hollow for anyone to be preaching decency and fairness to all in politics and giving their vote to Farage & Co.

I mean have your posts?

Your refusal to even understand the issue highlights the arrogance of the left. You automatically assume a position of intellectual superiority and call anyone who disagrees with you far right/Tory etc. It is precisely this attitude that hsd pushed people towards Reform.
You have no concept of anything outside of your liberal elite bubble.
Well today is the consequence of that.

I didn't give my vote to Reform but if they will help support over turn this policy I will 100% work with them and at least I understand why people vote for them.

I've lost the post but could someone remind me the name of the indie/grammar schools group the Chinese recently bought out?

Ah back to those insults. Goodo thought you’d got somewhere.

We can chat with each other on this thread perfectly well, bar this.

I think they just like hanging around to go on the attack @twistyizzy

'The arrogance of the left' when I am not even on the left. Can you make your insults a bit more accurate please, oh and your general posting for that matter. But otherwise, have a wonderful bank holiday weekend xx

Yet for some reason the state school isn't sharing their superior facilities with your school @Ubertomusic. Despite it being funded by taxpayers, including you.

'Sharing' only goes one way, obviously.

Ah, well - I think the era of private schools giving so much to state schools is coming to an end anyway. Of course, if @curlewkate is
right that it's already barely happening, then there will be no reason for anyone to complain...

hardly. You assume that anyone critical of Labour must be Tory but many of us are not! The ‘what about the tories’ response infuriating - I didn’t like a great deal of their policy, would quite like something different, but am absolutely dismayed by the alternative proposed by Labour.

Any time you engage teens in volunteer work you get mixed response - within our own school we have this (older students listening to juniors reading) and some of the teens really engage and some do not. I would query whether this is accounted for in the same way as proper provision of resources, though? A student volunteer programme has its own benefits for both volunteers and recipients, and might be part of broader community engagement, but probably isn’t the sum total of school outreach. Our school have multiple programmes - some are probably more useful to the community than others, but all are put forward with good intentions.

and do keep in mind that many private schools have no obligation to provide any level of public outreach. They do it because they choose to - usually as a demonstration of school values - but this isn’t an obligation and they gain nothing from it.

I think you are completely missing the context of this post. RTFT.

Gosh, if only someone would come along and use the word hyperbolic….. hmm

Have been on it from the first one - have read every single post. I consistently see people (you included) conflating anger with labour and support for conservatives.

I'd have Conservatives over Reform any day of the week! You missed the point. The emphasis of the criticism was not bashing the Tories for starting the selling off of schools' land but rather that it was far from being a new thing as the "Now they are..." suggested.

Didn’t miss the point at all. Having railed against the conservatives for this policy ‘now they are’ doing the exact same thing.

does that clarify sufficiently?

Presumably Encouraging the use of private schools via a 20% tax relief on private schooling means reversing the VAT?

That's great. Conservatives and Lib Dems have also promised to reverse the VAT, haven't they?

Or would this Reform policy involve both reversing the VAT and also giving us us an income tax rebate up to 20% of the school fees?

Ater this VAT fiasco, I'm now strongly in favour of the state finally giving us the £8k per year education subsidy which they already give all other UK children.

Ideally as a voucher which could be used for any registered state or private school. Home educators should likewise get their £8k subsidy, to go towards educational services.

And refund of both business rates and input VAT for private schools too. After all, that's a subsidy the government already give state schools: it should be equal.

Happy for the minescule remaining benefit of being a charity (gift aid) to be removed in return for there being no obligations from the charity commission. However, from a practical point of view, the schools need to retain a structure similar to a charity to have assets and remain non-profit-making (which doesn't work as a commercial company).

Pretty weird how donkey sanctuaries are deemed more deserving of preferential tax treatment than schools are, but hey ho. That boat has sailed. So equality of educational subsidy from the state to each UK child (ie our £8k from the government per child plus the tax benefits the government already gives state schools) will do.

Sorry it doesn't. Yours wasn't the clarification requested and unfortunately that was never forthcoming.

All the ones which are charities do. And the particular reading scheme I refer to has no benefit to the “recipients”. It is simply a box ticking exercise.Likewise the cricket matches. The box was kind of ticked, but the PR was horrible. Please note, by the way, that I also outlined some excellent schemes that work well for everybody- and I know some predate the Charity Commission’s reminder.