Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 5

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Starting a continuation thread in anticipation of the fourth one filling up…

www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5301690-whitehall-braced-for-private-schools-collapse-4?page=39

Surrey County Council paid for all existing pupils at RGS to continue their studies up to O-level,which included Starmer.

Over the following 2 years - whilst he was able to stay, with his fees paid by SCC - RGS became successful with hundreds of fee paying students joining. That allowed the headmaster, Howard Ballance, to set up bursaries that would allow "gifted but under-privileged" children to attend for free. Starmer got one of those, which allowed him (unlike most of his grammar peers) to finish his A levels at RGS.

He got his opportunities paid for by the paying RGS parents at the time.

So yes, he's showing a complete lack of appreciation and gratitude for what he was given by private school parents exactly like the ones he's started a class war against.

Fuck him.

So he should have been booted out when the private school DC came along? That would have been the alternative. He joined a state school and stayed at that same school until he finished his A levels. Big fucking deal.

The introduction of VAT is also depriving other students of the same opportunity he had; to have their fees covered by a bursary. Many schools are now cutting bursaries.

Lol at ‘jog on’ No thanks.

It was wrong no matter how annoyed you get.

Any reason you don’t like VAT?

It's not the same opportunity though is it? He joined a state school his parents were happy for him to attend. The school changed. He didn't.

I'm not annoyed. I just can't be bothered with interactions with you. They are much too same-y and I have a low tolerance for having to repeat myself constantly. I'm not interacting with you further.

Yes. As a direct result of Starmer's stupid, populist policy.

He could have left at 16 and done his A Levels elsewhere. Rather ironically, he apparently chose to join the Young Socialists at that stage, whilst remaining at a fee paying school. He had such strong political views that he chose to join a left wing political movement, but somehow was happy to remain in a system which he claims promotes inequality.

Perhaps it is progress that the thread has moved on from pretending that the policy was ever going to bring in £££ VAT bonanza moolah for 6500 eager new teachers.

You can’t answer a simple question on why you oppose VAT.

Very silent on that for someone who is adamant they do not support the policy. So many posts and yet nada on that.

For my part he got rid of the only woman in his party who appeared to be sure of what a woman was. So I did not vote for them in my local elections today. He does like to change his mind on things where he grew up and in which type of factory for example without much care but always with surprising regularity at press events.

Edit to add the VAT is making it harder for all girls schools to survive and I stand by the fact this is a sexist policy.

He had his education paid for by other children's parents.

And now - for political capital - has started a populist class war against parents just like those who helped him: current parents who were giving similar opportunities to other children now.

Take, take, take.

No care for consequences.

I think that's pretty despicable of him, yes.

He doesn’t need to show ‘appreciation and gratitude’ for a 2 year bursary 40 odd years ago.

That sounds awfully like expecting the tugging of one’s forelock to one’s betters is both necessary and admirable.

Starmer said it was why so he really shouldn’t just lie if it wasn’t the case.

I wondered if fils meant father in law, and how many were turning up at Ali’s but maybe you slipped into French.

The fact that the state school got turned into a private school says it all. I went to a run the mill, slightly below average state school and never in a month of Sundays could it have been converted into a private school. It is a laughable notion. He obviously attended a very naice State school that became a private school and was incredibly lucky to be able to stay on and enjoy the benefits of a private education. Most of us never got that opportunity.

He can pretend all he wants that he has 'state school's credentials but his education is far removed than most of us that went to a state school. He has undoubtedly benefited from this and it will inevitably played a role in him getting where he is today. Try going to a school where nobody gets the grades you would need to be a barrister and tell me that him going to an amazing school hasn't helped him

I don't think that Starmer needs to show gratitude or shame or anything regarding his education. I don't even think Starmer needs to not be a hypocrite about the education of other people's children. Most people are hypocrites about something.

I just think that those of us who think he is being a hypocrite (and that he seems to have difficulty with easily-checkable things like the dates of last year's GCSEs) are justified in stating our thoughts on the matter. Insane or whatever they might be.

Just not fucking over people who help you would do.

Basic decency.

Also not fucking over people who pay far more than their share towards the cost of state services, and who don't even take the £8k per year state subsidy towards their children's education which most families take.

Not lying about them with divisive language, riling people up to despise them, without giving the slightest damn about harming their children for zero benefit.

Crazy though it seems, they could even try acknowledging the huge contribution they make!

As I say, basic decency.

He was sixteen FFS. What are most people like at sixteen? I don't agree with the policy either but this type of pot shot is pathetic.

Starmer doesn’t mind hypocrisy as an adult. Well his own anyway.

The problem is, Labour show the same approach now.

Fucking people over whilst pocketing money from them.

You are being very naive if you think that different backgrounds mix much at secondary schools.

People tend to stick with people like them.

DD's friends at secondary all seem to have university educated, professional parents who are very similar to us. They may be diverse in terms of ethnicity, religion etc but socio-economically... not at all.

My nephews and nieces are at a comprehensive in another part of England and it's much the same - although I don't think there is any child in the school who isn't white.

In a lot of areas there is far greater diversity in the private schools.

LOL, so we all agree he went to a private school. Glad that very easily verifiable fact is put to rest 🙄

You’re not a true leftie if you are not a hypocrite, cry poverty and working class and grift a bit, that is clear. Throw in a bit of green virtue signalling and faux anti elitism (aka “privilege” is a dirty word) and you have the recipe, for the North London champagne socialist.

Back on the right track. It is much more powerful to pick apart what they are doing now than what school they went to fifty years ago.