How's the Private School VAT increase impacting you?

[mumsthewordi]

To private fee paying ...are kids/s still in private ? Are you comfortably still able to afford and happy paying it ?

To state, how do you feel? Have you been impacted by more kids in class or would you expect that to play out this year? Or perhaps you weren't supportive ?
Do you think state schools will improve ?

Full disclosure
A struggling fee paying parent of one kid only other is at state and my oh is an amazing secondary school teacher - we are a divided household indeed at time, but we've made choices best for us.

The last time we bought a house grandparents wrote supporitng letters that they were covering school fees just so we could get through the affordability criteria. We pay the fees 100% ourselves.

And therefore you can't say my reality is wrong either.
So obviously SOME grandparents pay but then equally SOME people don't have that option so fees come out of wages.

That's not what you said though. You said MOST pay for it themselves. You can't say that because you don't know.

There are multiple articles, the smallest % was 47% of school fees are "helped with" by GP.
If it's true, they'd rather go on paying instead of subjecting their savings to inheritance tax.

Actually a straw poll of 18000 indy parents threw the results of: 32% had help from grandparents/inheritance, 16% funded through properties ie BTL and the rest were self funded.
So over half were self funded = MOST

Well, amongst my circle of about a dozen families where I know enough to be able to say with reasonable confidence how they fund private education, only 2 families get gp help. In both instances it is only part of the fees, the rest they pay from income. Every single parent I know that is paying for education does so at least partially (if not wholly) from earned income.

In this context "half" is more suitable IMO.
Like "I ate half of the cake " instead of "most of it" gives a different picture though it would be the same 52%.

Couple of points

• none of this is sourced, so impossible to evaluate
• two of the three screenshots talk about the proportion of high net worth individuals paying for education - you CANNOT infer that this implies a majority of children are supported by gp’s
• the one (unsourced) article that claims almost (but not over) half get family support doesn’t quantify level of support. It could be anything from help with the odd extracurricular to fully funding fees.

I said over half. Which is true

Immigrant families I know pay out of their salaries, locals - out of family money in different forms.

The word benefit has several meanings.

Education isn't a government welfare payment. (Often called 'benefits'). It has its own budget.

But it is something you personally benefit from, paid for by the government out of taxation taken from everyone. Hence a government benefit.

Pragmatically, it's exactly the same thing. Tax payers pay tax. The government collects it. The government hands it out either as money or in kind. You benefit.

Not my experience - all of the families I referenced are white British. I am the only immigrant in the group.

Which straw poll? Who carried it out? Could you link your source please.

No because it isn't public and comes from a confidential survey from a parent group. Hence why I said no data has been collected because no independent analysis has been done.
All anyone can go on is anecdotes. That's sort of the point about independent sector, it doesn't answer to DfE so therefore the only data is data the sector collects itself.

I suppose it doesn't matter if I provide links or not because then you'll find everything other then ONS inconvincing etc.
But the data in the articles on the screenshots (the unsourced one is from The Telegraph) is in line with @twistyizzy 's statistics that probably half of those 6.95% PS families will not even feel the difference.

So I'm right whether you're being pedantic about vocabulary:

• the word 'benefit' is commonly used to refer to a government welfare payment
• but government' (adj) benefit (something you derive good from) could be correctly used for anything you receive from the government

Or whether you're being pragmatic:

• Tax payers pay tax.

• The government collects it.
• The government hands it out either as money or in kind.
• You benefit.
• doesn't make a concrete difference to anyone whether the benefit was in money or in kind

Why are people going on (and on) about sourcing evidence to support who pays the school fees (never going to find an accurate data sheet there, fyi)? Who gives a shit.

But over half WILL feel the difference! That's over 280 000 kids potentially impacted

Of course there is a general meaning of 'benefit' but you referenced education as being a 'state benefit' which is something entirely different from the 'service' that state education is by definition. It is disingenuous to claim they are the same things. They are not.

Because there are repeated false assertions on these threads and some people might actually believe them.

I prefer to just stick to the facts. It makes the picture much clearer.

Because it proves that working parents are the ones who will feel the brunt of this policy ie not the ones who have inherited wealth to fall back on. Get rid of all the working parents out of indy sector and you are left with the very wealthy ones which = indy schools become MORE elitist.

They are though. The money is paid out by the state for that individual student.

Can you give me a real reason why that is any different to any other benefit?

Out of those 280K, probably some of the parents factored in unforseen circumstances though?

20% school fees increase is probably not the most devastating thing that could impact a working family's income in the real life?

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