How's the Private School VAT increase impacting you?

[mumsthewordi]

To private fee paying ...are kids/s still in private ? Are you comfortably still able to afford and happy paying it ?

To state, how do you feel? Have you been impacted by more kids in class or would you expect that to play out this year? Or perhaps you weren't supportive ?
Do you think state schools will improve ?

Full disclosure
A struggling fee paying parent of one kid only other is at state and my oh is an amazing secondary school teacher - we are a divided household indeed at time, but we've made choices best for us.

Why do any children/parents have to ‘suffer’? This attitude is ridiculous

Exactly.

No one will benefit.

So why support a policy where the whole point is for private parents and children to suffer. To punish them for having opted out of a state benefit.

it's fucking obtuse to then additionally tax us on the money we're subbing the government

Of course, we're already paying income tax on the money we're subbing the government. If anything, that should be removed to genuinely give a tax break on the money we directly sub the government - not a second layer of tax added on top.

State school child:
State pays £7000 (assuming no SEN)

Private school child at £20k school pre-VAT
State receives min £13k in income tax (40%tax)
And pays nothing
State is £20k better off
per year
per child

Private school child at £20k school post-VAT
State receives £16k in income tax
And £4k VAT
And pays nothing
State is £27k better off
WTF?!?

How can anyone can possibly say the private school was ever a tax break with a straight face? Sheer brass neck and CF-ery. Or an inability to do basic maths.

‘It’s made up bollocks from private parents who have realised that most people don’t care what fees private parents pay for schooling’…

Oh come now. The bigotry dripping from your previous post/s (I’ve not kept up properly after Hugo and Clem), show that you Do care what ‘fees private parents pay for schooling’.

You’re positively thrilled they’re paying even more. Thrilled that some can’t continue to pay the fees. Thrilled they’ll have to join the local (or even better for you, not so local) state school instead. Own it. Well, I guess you and others already sort of, have.

I don't understand this bit

Private school child at £20k school pre-VAT
State receives min £13k in income tax (40%tax)
And pays nothing
State is £20k better off
per year
per child

Where is the £13k in income tax coming from?

Daniel Kebede, the general secretary of the NEU says: “We have had reports from members that the VAT increase is impacting [upon] jobs, pensions and pay increases"
But no, there's no impact and it must all be the fault of the schools eh?!

Labour have made a lot of mistakes already, I reckon there will have to be some serious rethinking and reshuffling. They have already proven their economic incompetence- they simply cannot afford to be fiscally incompetent anymore. If this proves a disaster, they will have to backtrack.
They can’t even pass more taxes to businesses either to compensate for their mistakes because most successful businesses have debt too (to invest in growth, not least) they just screwed everyone over already by not listening. They will have to eat humble pie.

Also whoever advised them that private school parents, many of whom are Blairite generation, are loyal Tories was seriously mistaken. Clearly no proper due diligence was undertaken on any of this.

I think we all know why.

State education is NOT a state benefit. It is a state service.

In order to pay £20k school fees, the parents must earn £33k. They give £13k to the government in income tax (assuming 40% income tax band). This leaves them £20k net to pay the school.

If the parents didn't pay the school fees, all else being equal they wouldn't need to earn that money. And the government wouldn't get the income tax.

On top of that, the government now have to pay £7k to educate the child (since the parents aren't doing it any more)

Everything the government pays for (out of money gathered in taxes) which you benefit from is a benefit.

It's artificial to make a distinction between a benefit given in money and a benefit given in kind like education.

What % of parents actually have to work to pay for PS instead of grandparents or other types of unearned wealth?

Er the majority of us! Most of us don't have grandparents wealth/inheritance and therefore in a 2 income household, 1 of the incomes will almost exclusively pay for fees.

Wrong. This might help you understand what is a state service and what is a state benefit https://www.gov.uk/income-tax/taxfree-and-taxable-state-benefits

Anecdote. Evidence?

What evidence? No data exists because no body asks parents who pays for the fees. What a ridiculous demand

I can't find proper statistics, only the data from 2 wealth management companies that 68-79% of their elderly wealthy clients "help" with school fees, but it doesn't mean that every child has a wealthy GP/inheritance.
But then a thread came up in the search and it looks like it's still quite common. So if those GP moneys are not spent on the fees, they will be taxed in other forms.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/4457911-do-grandparents-pay-your-school-fees

Where is the evidence that grandparents or unearned wealth pays? Actual evidence?

Amd how many parents do those 2 wealth companies represent?

Exactly. So you actually don't know that most people pay it themselves. I have many friends whose parents have set up funds for their grandchildren's education but that is anecdote too. My reality is just as valid as yours.

What a very emotional response from you.

The government is talking there about specific financial benefits individuals can apply for.

But something the government pays for, which you benefit from in kind, is still a benefit.

I'm not emotional at all. You are just wrong. State education is not a benefit. Full stop.

The local authority will make space by temporarily increasing the PAN at a local school. This is well within their power to do they simply inform the school.
They will not pay private school fees for a family rather than increasing a state school PAN, unless there are EHCP's involved