To think unless you’ve been to private school you don’t really understand why it’s so valuable?

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I have so many people telling me the state system is fine, a private school just has better facilities, that the teachers aren’t any better, that the extra curricular stuff can be done after school at a state school but at a different venue etc etc…

whilst all the above is true, it isn’t what makes a private education valuable? And that you have to actually have lived it, been to one, to get the whole experience it gives you across the board and not just academically?

i think this is why a lot of people with ‘new money’ don’t always spend it on school fees. In contrast those who have been privately educated mostly want the same for their children.

@achangeofnameisasgoodasarest

Her new school peers are indeed less 'street smart'. DD2 takes the bus and train home from her boarding school - its 100 miles. Most of her friends have never even been on a bus to the nearest town. But then DD2 has come from an inner London comp- hugely diverse but with academic ambitions for its students who face many many external challenges. If she'd moved from the local rural comp to her new school we'd see far less of a difference.

It’s the opposite experience here. The local state school is the catchment school for many villages. The kids walk a couple of minutes to the bus stop, to catch the school bus. They get dropped off directly at school. They have no experience of public transport.

Local private schools have a wide catchment, with many pupils having to use trains or public buses to get there. International boarders are happy navigating international airports to return home.

@Another76543 - quite. It depends where you are changing from and to. At dd's new school hardly anyone uses public transport as there is no station and day pupils live very rurally. They pay for a school bus instead. I went to a rural comp with a school bus of its own and never used public transport. DD is different mainly because she's a londoner, not because she's from a state school in this case.

Your massive sense of entitlement that has been nurtured since birth prevents you from working in a normal career, you don’t need a job as such, it is something you do because your folks organised some soft position in the city that has zero accountability and allows you to perfect the skill of falling upwards no matter how much you fuck up. It is these schools that are the problem @TheCadoganArms this is absolutely spot on! I think clearly of Rishi Sunak when you say this and all the Etonian buddies, probably also Boris. Rishi has never had to fail in his life before becoming prime minister.

I always think that’s why he seems so grumpy 😆 He’s clearly had such a smooth, uncluttered path through life until now

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/private-schoolboys-made-indecent-images-of-female-pupils-with-ai-hxvs2d56k

https://www.ibblaw.co.uk/insights/blog/independent-schools-safeguarding

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/education/everyones-invited-more-private-schools-listed-site-david-johnston-mp-b940736.html

Private schoolboys made indecent images of female pupils with AI
The case is the second criminal inquiry in recent weeks into deepfake pornographic pictures at independent schools
<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/wLCSv/www.thetimes.com/profile/sean-oneill" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sean O’Neill
Tuesday July 02 2024, 2.50pm BST, The Times

It is feared parents, schools and the police are not equipped to deal with the rapid spread of AI image technology
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Two private schoolboys have been reprimanded by police for making deepfake pornographic images of their female classmates.
The case is the second criminal inquiry into the creation of AI-generated abuse images at independent schools to have emerged in recent weeks.
The Times reported last month that two other private schools — a boys’ school and a girls’ school in the same area of the country — are at the centre of <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/wLCSv/www.thetimes.com/article/private-schools-in-police-inquiry-over-deepfake-porn-images-of-girls-d9qc2wgvk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a separate police investigation into the spread of abusive images.
Officers are investigating claims that images had been taken from social media accounts of pupils at the girls’ school and manipulated to create nude and pornographic material.
It is understood that girls at a third private school may also have had their images turned into deepfakes. The investigation is continuing and no arrests have been made.
The cases coincide with rising concerns that parents, schools and police are ill-equipped to deal with the rapid spread of AI image technology and “nudifying” apps that make it easy to create such images.
Rani Govender, of the NSPCC, warned that sexualised deepfakes are “child abuse images which are being created and shared with ease”.
She told The Times: “We know this abuse is having a particularly devastating impact on girls, who often feel victimised and belittled in spaces they should feel safe.
“The rise of AI abuse images is being enabled by tech firms who have not designed child safety into AI products, and social media companies who fail to stop images from spreading rapidly across their platforms.”
The charity called for the next prime minister to demand “tough action from tech firms and embed child protection into any future AI safety strategies”.
• <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/wLCSv/www.thetimes.com/article/what-the-new-sex-education-guidelines-mean-for-schools-and-parents-jv5250x3w" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">What the new sex education guidelines mean for schools and parents
Police were alerted to the most recent case, involving a co-educational day school, in May.
A spokesman for the police force involved said: “Officers received a report that indecent pseudo-photographs of teenage girls had been created.
“Officers have investigated and spoken to two teenage boys in connection. The boys both admitted their involvement and have been issued with community resolutions. The images have since been deleted.”
The force said it used community resolutions for young people “especially when it is their first offence and they haven’t had any previous contact with the police”. It added: “The aim of issuing a community resolution is to prevent reoffending and to ensure offenders truly understand what they did was wrong and why.”
The school attended by the boys and the girls who were targeted said it “experienced an isolated incident related to the creation of indecent pseudo-photographs. A robust and detailed investigation was undertaken with the small number of pupils involved and their families, including appropriate interaction with the police and other relevant external agencies.”
The NSPCC and the Internet Watch Foundation have created <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/wLCSv/www.childline.org.uk/info-advice/bullying-abuse-safety/online-mobile-safety/report-remove/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the Report Remove tool which helps to erase sexually explicit images and videos online.

To be fair men making deep fake porn of women is a widespread societal problem - it’s not fair to land that on schools of any sort - they are at the sharp end having to deal with this shit.

Think it's more of a status thing, or opening doors of 'who you know' maybe?

I went to state school. A brilliant small primary, a truly awful Comprehensive (huge staff turnover, fights, arson, fights, truancy etc) , then a pretty rough local college (as the comp only went to age 16).

I’m sure there are some good state secondaries. Though grammars and comprehensives are not comparable. A grammar is more like private, without the frills. I’m sure there are some bad private.

We chose to send our DC to private, we could afford it. When they first started at the prep school I genuinely couldn’t believe it. Visiting for an open day had been my first time ever in a private school. Totally different world, one that I wanted my DC to be part of. I’ve done well, despite the bad schools, though I’ll never belong in the private school club. My DC will (If they want to). Comes down to doing what we think is best for them, doing what we can for our kids as we all do. They’ve enjoyed their schools so far, experiences have been fantastic. If we couldn’t afford it, I’d be trying my best to make sure they do the clubs / tutoring.

That is my take. I know others have a different view!

Honestly, the behaviour of the children and the expectation of being polite, well dressed, doing well academically being admired not sneered at is the difference.

At independent schools the children aren't all living on XBox's at home, they are doing sports, reading, out for days with family.

There are no lines shaved into the children's heads and there are no children running round the classroom disrupting lessons.

You arrive snd the children polielty show you to a classroom, say good morning. They atmosphere is calm.

That to me is the most important thing.

My state educated children don't have an Xbox, they go on days out, and read. I expect them to be polite and they don't run around in lessons or have lines shaved into their heads. The same applies to my friends' children who are also state educated.

The stereotyping on this thread is hilarious to read.

Let's just remember we are talking about 7% vs 93% of children

Agrew ridiculous! Private school s children are cleared eyed straight backed and polite state oiks have funny hair cuts and play on x boxes. Oh and may whip out a knife and stab you 😀.

My house is currently full of teens from 3 different private and some state and they are utterly interchangeable.

@Caterpillarshoes ,

Afluenza is a real thing in private schools.

I have taught bottom sets of super rich children with very limited vocabularies given their background and wealth. Their nannies (often not native English speakers) give them early dinner separately from the parents, and the parents are often too busy to spend quality time with them.

Obviously, on average, private school pupils are less disruptive and brighter (about 10 IQ points based on median), but there are plenty of exceptions and the distributions have massive overlap.

Obviously no privately educated child has ever owned an Xbox and state educated kids don't play sport 😳

This is hysterical!
I was privately educated... lots of smoking behind the hockey shed, underage sex and copious amount of illegal drug taking happened.

My children are in a state school, voracious readers, play sport and are polite and lovely. They are at a fantastic state school which has very high standards both academically and of behaviour, wonderful pastoral care and no disruptive classes. As a privately educated mum, they are getting a far better education than I did. And to be honest I am in awe at how the teachers achieve this after so many years of under funding. My expensive education was a total waste of money in my opinion and was of no benefit to me at all.

Have you ever set foot in a state school?

As a state educated person who for some reason always seems to end up with privately educated people this is all very familiar! It can be incredibly awkward when they feel they are “amongst” friends and start spouting the knife crime / zero sport troupe..

There are no lines shaved into the children's heads

This is the single worst thing for a child's education and life chances tbf.

One never recovers from a bad haircut.

At independent schools the children aren't all living on XBox's at home, they are doing sports, reading, out for days with family

This is hilarious. What an absolute tool you sound like.

I have two teens in state school....my DD loves reading and is never without a book
My ds plays sport. Shock horror, we also have days out. Guess what? Some of these days out have been to stereotypically middle class places such as stately homes and museums.

What a load of rubbish.

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@Caterpillarshoes you are embarrassing yourself.