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Would you pursue this with the school?

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Cristall · 14/04/2024 14:12

I found out during the Easter holidays that DC’s teacher left suddenly a fortnight before the holidays started. Nobody was informed until the email arrived earlier this week. The teacher had only worked there since Christmas. There’s a replacement teacher taking over after the holidays.

I’m concerned that the teacher left so suddenly. My thinking is that if nothing was amiss the school would have made him work his notice, at least until Easter. The fact he left so suddenly makes me think he’s been sacked for some unknown incident.

Would you ask the school for clarification? Do I have the right to demand it? At the very least I want to know if he quit or was sacked - and if he was sacked, why.

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dogvcat · 14/04/2024 17:17

Ffs @Cristall If your child had been subjected to behaviour that was damaging to them, you would have been informed. People are actually entitled to some privacy. Nobody is entitled to know personal information about someone else, that is not relevant to them. You are really going overboard in your insistence on information, which is covered by GDPR. How would you feel if someone was asking personal questions about your work or behaviour?

Have some respect for your child’s school and their staff and just back off.

WaitingfortheTardis · 14/04/2024 17:20

Cristall · 14/04/2024 16:32

I really don't understand why you feel that anything suspicious has happened. Start after one holiday, leave before the next, completely normal for supply staff.
Because he didn’t stay till the end of term. Which he would have done if nothing was amiss. They had put his name on the website and put him in the photos as if he was permanent staff. So I don’t think he was supply. Plus they covered up his departure and didn’t tell anyone for two whole weeks.

All of which has been explained to you, but you are clearly not able, or not willing, to understand.

itsgettingweird · 14/04/2024 17:20

How do you know they aren't "working" their notice through holiday and sick note?

We've had a teacher leave suddenly. They won't be returning. They have been replaced for the term and contract will be extended next year once they've officially left. But for 6 months they will officially be on sick leave.

Not everything is some scandal people are trying to cover up and not everything is everyone else's business.

itsgettingweird · 14/04/2024 17:24

It is my business if the teacher has left due to misconduct.

It really isn't. If it didn't affect your child you have no right or reason to know anything.

I think you're more anxious about this than your child seems to be since you didn't even know or notice for 2 weeks 😂

BodyKeepingScore · 14/04/2024 17:24

Cristall · 14/04/2024 14:20

We thought it must be something really bad for him to leave so suddenly. Schools usually drag out the notice period for months. A sudden departure is very worrying because we immediately assumed there must have been some misconduct followed by sacking. I don’t think it’s reasonable to worry parents by refusing to give a reason for the sudden departure, even if it’s just “he decided to leave for personal reasons”.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions here. Presumably if it was something that put the children at risk parents would have already been informed. You have no right to this information.

clary · 14/04/2024 17:32

Cristall · 14/04/2024 16:41

Don't forget - it's only you that believes they left with no notice at all. The HT and SLT may have known for a week, a month, etc but not told parents at that point.
If they did know in advance, they covered it up and didn’t tell parents. They should be keeping us informed instead of hiding stuff.

Ok @Cristall this. Ive read the thread open-mouthed and now I have to post.

This phrase you use - "covering up" - who is covering anything up? I left my in-school teaching role a few years ago and gave my notice in the usual way - my HT and colleagues knew, but actually, the students didn't know, until I chose to tell them, and neither did the parents. I left my form mid-year which was not ideal, but not avoidable unfortunately. Yes the school "covered up" that I was leaving - they did not send round a note to parents. Quite right too. I wasn't sacked btw.

You and your child will face many changes in staffing in the years to come I am afraid. And I highly doubt you will have a regular bulletin about it. It's also quite likely that your child will have periods where they are being taught by an unqualified teacher, or not have a teacher at all. You need to accept that really or maybe HE.

Cristall · 14/04/2024 17:33

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Cristall · 14/04/2024 17:35

This phrase you use - "covering up" - who is covering anything up?
Non disclosure is the same as covering up. If nothing bad has happened then there shouldn’t be anything to hide. The only reason for not being transparent is if they’re trying to hide something.

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MrsHamlet · 14/04/2024 17:35

It absolutely is unreasonable that you think the teacher's reason for leaving is any of your business.

noblegiraffe · 14/04/2024 17:36

Have you now realised that the teacher committing a violent sex crime against your child and the school covering it up is actually not the most likely explanation for the teacher's departure from the school?

Entitledparentssuck · 14/04/2024 17:37

You do know that if you make contact with the school with such an entitled view, you’ll be seen as an idiot at best and an entitled twat at worst. Staff will be laughing about your request for weeks to come.

Cristall · 14/04/2024 17:38

Entitledparentssuck · 14/04/2024 17:37

You do know that if you make contact with the school with such an entitled view, you’ll be seen as an idiot at best and an entitled twat at worst. Staff will be laughing about your request for weeks to come.

People have bullied me my entire life for being autistic, the same as you are now. I think I’ll get over it.

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Artesia · 14/04/2024 17:38

Trust me, if there was mis-conduct which impacted on your child, you would know about it. So stop catastrophising and looking for drama and subterfuge in the situation.

Meem321 · 14/04/2024 17:38

Cristall · 14/04/2024 14:29

I also think it was unreasonable of the school not to inform parents when the teacher left, two weeks before Easter. We didn’t know our child didn’t have a teacher. We only found out a couple of days ago.

I haven't read the full thread because you sound like hard work... But perhaps the teacher went off sick then discovered the illness was much more serious than first thought. Perhaps their child is seriously ill. Or a parent is dying. Perhaps they're just sick of busybody parents.
If you needed to know then you would have been told. Butt out and trust the professionals.

Shinyandnew1 · 14/04/2024 17:39

Cristall · 14/04/2024 17:35

This phrase you use - "covering up" - who is covering anything up?
Non disclosure is the same as covering up. If nothing bad has happened then there shouldn’t be anything to hide. The only reason for not being transparent is if they’re trying to hide something.

No, it’s not.

There are countless things that the head teacher of a school knows that they choose not to tell you. That’s all fine, too.

There could be a parent of a child in your class who has been charged with a violent crime, the child sitting on the same table as yours might have HIV etc etc, these things are down to the HT whether they need to be shared or not, not down to you!

Starlightstarbright3 · 14/04/2024 17:40

There could be a million reasons . We had this happen once , also a teacher in secondary was arrested for inappropriate relationship with a minor . Don’t think school ever actually commented it made the papers though.

You don’t need to know anything . If there was a safeguarding concern for your child . You would be told

usernamedifferent · 14/04/2024 17:41

Cristall · 14/04/2024 17:35

This phrase you use - "covering up" - who is covering anything up?
Non disclosure is the same as covering up. If nothing bad has happened then there shouldn’t be anything to hide. The only reason for not being transparent is if they’re trying to hide something.

So even though hundreds of people have told you that you have no right to know a teacher’s personal reasons for leaving, you still think they should disclose the reason?

Longma · 14/04/2024 17:43

Cristall · 14/04/2024 17:35

This phrase you use - "covering up" - who is covering anything up?
Non disclosure is the same as covering up. If nothing bad has happened then there shouldn’t be anything to hide. The only reason for not being transparent is if they’re trying to hide something.

Or respecting the leaving teacher's right to privacy.

Or - if it really was a criminal matter - following police guidelines so as to not compromise an ongoing investigation.

If your child was directly involved in misconduct, you'd know already. You would have been spoken to when the matter was being investigated, and there would be written records as part of the investigation into the teacher. You have not been spoken to so it's safe to assume your child has not been affected by any misconduct the teacher may (or likely hasn't) been sacked for.

Of you don't trust your child's school perhaps it's time to look at alternative education for your child - another school, home Ed, etc,

You have NO right to know the teacher's personal information.
Even 'personal circumstances' isn't your right to know.

You've been told this over and over again. I don't understand why you can't comprehend this.

MrsHamlet · 14/04/2024 17:44

Cristall · 14/04/2024 17:38

People have bullied me my entire life for being autistic, the same as you are now. I think I’ll get over it.

No one is bullying you for being autistic. We are simply telling you that you have no right to know the teacher's personal business.

wintersgold · 14/04/2024 17:45

Cristall · 14/04/2024 17:35

This phrase you use - "covering up" - who is covering anything up?
Non disclosure is the same as covering up. If nothing bad has happened then there shouldn’t be anything to hide. The only reason for not being transparent is if they’re trying to hide something.

No, in this context it is not the same. You're not entitled to know the teacher's private affairs, no matter the reason for leaving. It's simply not your business, however concerned you might feel.

SlashBeef · 14/04/2024 17:46

Cristall · 14/04/2024 17:38

People have bullied me my entire life for being autistic, the same as you are now. I think I’ll get over it.

Oh please it's nothing to do with autism you're just behaving badly and being pulled up on it.

Ladyritacircumference · 14/04/2024 17:46

One teaching job I had was so miserable that I walked out and had a few weeks holiday before I started my next job (my new school knew exactly how and why I had left!).

Cristall · 14/04/2024 17:47

MrsHamlet · 14/04/2024 17:44

No one is bullying you for being autistic. We are simply telling you that you have no right to know the teacher's personal business.

I couldn’t give a shit about them or their personal business. I just want to know that the reason for departure is not bad behaviour in the presence of my child.

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WaitingfortheTardis · 14/04/2024 17:48

Cristall · 14/04/2024 17:47

I couldn’t give a shit about them or their personal business. I just want to know that the reason for departure is not bad behaviour in the presence of my child.

'Bad behaviour'? Everything has been explained to you reasonably, why aren't you trying to take it on board?

Ladyritacircumference · 14/04/2024 17:48

Cristall · 14/04/2024 17:47

I couldn’t give a shit about them or their personal business. I just want to know that the reason for departure is not bad behaviour in the presence of my child.

If it was a safeguarding matter relating to your child you would be informed. If no one has informed you of anything then there is no cause for concern.