Is anyone else worried about the effect of rising private school fees on state schools?

[BabyIcecream]

Where I live there already aren't enough school places. Three big state secondary's, one is catholic, they are all over subscribed and bursting at the seams using old buildings with not enough funding.

Ive seen reports that at some private schools upto a third of pupils might leave if the fees go up due to VAT.

I'm worried about all these extra pupils needing places, DS already finds his school overcrowded and whilst I don't agree with private education putting extra pupils into the state system is just going to further disadvantage our children.

Unless money raised by increasing private schools costs is going to be used to fund state education? Does anyone know?

I was thinking more of multi-millionaires, some of whom pay as little as 23% tax on their income. Scandalous really.

No as nurses cost and you need to look at who pays majority of tax burden

You can try to reorder to fit your version but you won’t last long as you’ll run out of people to pick up the tab

I think you are missing a key point.

The rich pay a smaller proportion of their income in tax than someone on the wage of a nurse. So if instead of the rich getting richer, that money was spread to more people, the tax take would increase.

The higher centiles carry most of tax burden

Also unless you have a way to keep people in the U.K. other countries would happily attract that wealth away from you

You might feel pleased for a minute that they’re gone but it won’t last long.

Even better if those people move abroad, then they wouldn't need to be paid so much and that money could be spread more evenly.

Ah yes economics not your strong point I see, let’s just have low to medium pay for everyone, and a larger state paid out of the dwindling tax take.

Good luck with that.

How does paying people who pay a higher proportion of their income in tax, reduce the tax take?

You won’t get enough. You need economic drivers. Atm it’s a few high productivity sectors that fund a fair bit of state expenditure

I’m sure there are posters who would like to reduce those but you’ll be left with a big gap

You won’t be able to increase your tax enough to fill it

Driving out wealth won’t help you, it might seem a good idea as you’ll all be equally poor, but that isn’t great

You don't appear to have answered my question, which is how does paying those who pay a higher proportion of their income in tax, instead of paying those who pay a lower proportion in tax, reduce tax take?

I’ve answered as I can

If it’s not resonating I’d suggest some basic economics as it’s too much to cover

If you do I’ll come back to it

I will try and make it simpler for you.

If a business pays someone a million pounds and that person pays 23% tax, the government gets 230,000 pounds.

Alternatively if the same business pays 20 people 50,0000 and those people pay 30% tax, the government gets 300,000 pounds.

Sshh! We may be scaring off those people who specialise in earning and then hiding money for the global elite. If we do that, they’ll take those worthy skills elsewhere and carry on regardless. We either have to accept the scraps they offer, or expect nothing, because we have fed off that plate for so long, we can’t survive without it. We are reliant on continued global trade and finance run in accordance with the requirements of the elite.

Universal education? Universal healthcare? Don’t make me laugh. The global elite don’t need everyone to be educated and looked after. Most people are surplus to requirements.

No not really making sense

Well that is how the tax system currently works in the UK. I didnt realise it was difficult to understand.

The top 1% of earners pay 28% of all income tax revenues in the UK. The top 10% pay around 60%.

Do you want successful sectors or are they a pita for you?

Should it all be state sectors

Not sure how you’ll survive on that

Most people will stay if you don’t make a big political song and dance out of how much you can rinse them for votes btw

Even Blair knew that

An excellent demonstration of how unequal incomes are in the UK, thank you.

Of course I want successful sectors. The Tories haven’t achieved that in any way, shape or form. Labour didn’t achieve that. They have both, when in power, effectively followed the same basic strategies.

Obviously we do have that. High productivity in some

Very low in other areas, and high state dependency

@jgw1 it’s just maths. People who earn less than £12500 pay no income tax and the 40% rate doesn’t kick in until £50,000+.

If incomes were more equal than lower earners would have to pay a higher proportion to compensate for the loss in tax revenue.

If our main tax take is from the taxation of employee income, not real wealth creation, it’s a technicality how productive it is, as most of that productivity is not reinvested in the UK.

You are missing the key point that people ont he highest incomes don't pay a lower proportion of their income in tax than for example nurses, so if instead of paying those people so much, that money was spread around more evenly more tax would be paid.

@jgw1

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An excellent demonstration of how unequal incomes are in the UK, thank you."

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No actually a demonstration of how the UK tax system works.

The top 1% earn over £179k
The top 5% over £100k
The top 10% over £59k
And the average for full time workers is £32k

So the top 1% earn 6 times more than the average.

Quite, how does anyone think they deserve to earn 6 times the average income?

Don’t understand your point as obviously high earners pay a far higher proportion of their income in tax than low earners as @1dayatatime clearly sets out.