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STEINER WALDORF SCHOOLS AND INSTITUTIONS

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theantignome · 29/02/2008 09:25

hi everyone, i wanted to start a new thread with a NEW topic heading here, as the active one at the moment with over 700 posts looks like it is all about the Cambridge school. This may confuse newcomers.

Let's continue the debate here !
All newcomers welcome !

I will shortly link our two previous threads on MN for any one new to have a look at.

Davy, could you also give a link to your new yahoo list here please ? Thanks.

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Thebee · 28/03/2008 12:32

kneedeepinthedirtylaundry,

I think your questions are important. There exists a large discussion list on waldorf education. The subscription info for it is found here. I think that is where you probably can get the most experienced and informed answers to your questions. Good luck!

zzooey · 28/03/2008 13:18

Oh, I see that Sune wants to bring up the son of the big anthroposophist! This son is called Andreas Carlgren. He's a minister of the current government. He has, during his political career, given his support to the anthroposophical cause. It's the foundation that bears his and his ancestors names - and in which his father is a member of the board - that has financed and had decided influence on the so called "research" on waldorf schools that anthroposophists brag about. The grandfather, or the great grandfather (i don't remember), was a very wealthy man - and the family has donated its estates and property to the anthroposophical movement.

Yeah, that's a "prominent" anthroposophical family. I have no doubt that the children of wealthy anthro donators are in a pretty different position than the mere mortals at waldorf schools.

It doesn't make my criticism of the waldorf school I went to less valid though. I did not come from an anthroposophical family. I did not believe in gnomes, fairies or the astral body. I thought these things were crap. I deserved maltreatment.

zzooey · 28/03/2008 13:23

Sune, what you wrote already in 2004 and which echoes the propaganda throw-ups from the waldorf schools, anthroposophists and their organizations, reinforces the impression I have of you:

When you deny anthroposophy's role in waldorf education, you appear like a pitiful liar, Sune. It's dishonest.

You deny anthroposophy's role in waldorf education. That's apparent.

zzooey · 28/03/2008 13:29

Ok, Sune, what's the problem?

y'all

or

ranting and raving?

What's the point? I still don't understand. Why does something here upset you? (Or whatever it does - I don't think I understood that either?)

Thebee · 28/03/2008 14:55

You do sound like Pamela Anderson fighting the big bad guys in VIP, Zzoey. You wear pink and shoot with a hair drier too ?-))

DianaW · 28/03/2008 16:33

Ooh - you're accusing Zooey of shooting? Why Sune, this is barbarian.

zzooey · 28/03/2008 17:09

The mere mentioning of Pamela Anderson is barbaric, I think.

zzooey · 28/03/2008 17:09

Cultural barbarism.

northernrefugee39 · 29/03/2008 16:27

Didn't Pamela Anderson have a Steiner waldorf education along with Jennifer Aniston?

The bee/sune, what would be very interesting would be if you, as an anthroposophist , could explain to us mere lowly uninitiated beings, why anthroposophy is so vital a component to Waldorf Steiner education? What is it about the anthroposophic element which makes it so essential and crucial to the education of our children? So much so, that the people in charge don't even think it necessary to inform the parents?

northernrefugee39 · 29/03/2008 16:31

Janni- I agree with you when you say how vital it is to have discussions like this , so parents can be awre of what thy may be geting involved with.
I'm on two other parenting discussion boards about Steiner as well, several people have looked up about Steiner and changed their minds too. They read Steiner on the Rudolf Steiner archive, and saw what the teacher reading list was, and were amazed and horrified.
Going to try and find them Sune?

zzooey · 29/03/2008 23:28

Perhaps there's an answer on waldorfanswers.com (.org?)? No, just kidding

Suggestion for name change: waldorf-no-answers.com.

barking · 30/03/2008 16:30

Just found this from TES:

The state of things to come

David Marley
Published: 07 March 2008

Steiner schools put play first and shun hot-housing. So what will happen when the first one becomes an academy and brings in national tests?David Marley visited Hereford Waldorf to find out
With arms circling, and in some cases flailing, students participate gamely in their spiritual dance class. "I breathe the song into the air," chants their teacher, "it fell to earth I know not where."

The dance, which originated in Steiner schools, is just one of the unique activities that set these bastions of alternative education apart from the mainstream.

But from this September, the Hereford Waldorf School in the village of Much Dewchurch, near Hereford, will be the first Steiner school to become a state school academy.

Its methods are a world away from the target-driven culture of many maintained schools. But as debate over the national testing regime continues, the Government is making an unprecedented bid to widen parental choice by welcoming it into the state sector.

The move comes as other Steiner advocates are gearing up for a battle over the Early Years Foundation Stage (see box). The new national curriculum for under-fives stipulates that five-year-olds should be able to write their own name among other things. But at Hereford Waldorf, children are not taught to read until seven and leave school with just three GCSEs.

Newly agreed academies have to teach the national curriculum in core subjects. But the Hereford school struck its deal before that rule was introduced and will not teach the national curriculum at all.

"The Government has never wavered in saying we want you in because you are different," says Trevor Mepham, the school's principal designate. "They have always said our curriculum is our strength. We aren't going to put that aside for a hatful of GCSEs, knowing that doing so would create an uneasy compromise of our philosophy."

For pupils and teachers, that philosophy translates into a holistic approach focusing on spiritual as well as academic development.

There is a strong tradition of crafts, including book-binding and woodwork, and minimal ICT. Pupils spend time outside every day for gardening, exercise or play. There is no setting, streaming, constant assessment or hot-housing.

"If you watch a young child play, there's nothing frivolous about it," said Mr Mepham. "They are developing important qualities for the rest of their lives."

One concession the school has made is that pupils will take national tests at 11 and 14. With no national curriculum preparation or exam drilling, the results will be hotly anticipated by all sides of the testing debate.

Pupils currently take GCSEs in English literature, English language and maths, with impressive results. Last year, from a cohort of 21, just one failed to get an A* to C grade in all three subjects. Pupils also take courses accredited by the Open College Network.

When it becomes an academy for three to 16-year-olds, the school will offer five GCSEs or equivalent.

Its transformation comes as the Government announced an acceleration of the academy programme, with 243 schools due to open by 2010, ten more than planned.

Currently housed in a converted barn, a farmhouse and a collection ramshackle temporary classrooms, the Hereford school is in desperate need of new facilities.

Although it ostensibly charges fees of up to £4,000 a year, parents only pay what they can afford, with many making up the difference by volunteering or helping to fundraise. Lack of funds also keeps full-time teachers' salaries at just £14,500 a year.

Improving its humble resources is an important reason for seeking state funding, Mr Mepham admits.

"But we also don't want to be elitist," he says. "State funding will provide greater access to children who might not otherwise benefit from our approach. We are different and there are elements of good practice that we can offer."

The local council is due to rule in the next week on a planning dispute that will determine the academy's size. The school wants to expand its student roll from 270 to 330, but village residents have complained about the extra traffic that will be created.

Whatever the outcome, the school will get a £10 million capital budget, with the Government picking up the majority of the bill. Ministers are expected to sign off its funding agreement this month.

Greta Rushbrooke, a founding teacher who has been at the school since 1983, said it was time to change. "There has always been this label that Steiner is a bit weird," she said. "But this will let the country know how wonderful Steiner education is."

EARLY YEARS DISPUTE

Steiner schools are involved in a fierce dispute over the new curriculum for under-fives, which is due to be in place this September.

As first reported in The TES, a parents' group from Wynstones, a Gloucestershire Steiner school, is threatening to take legal action under human rights laws to protect the way their children are educated.

The Early Years Foundation Stage draws together different guidelines for educating young children and sets standards for them to reach by the age of five, including being able to write their own name and being able to read a range of words and understand some basic phonics.

The guidance will become the legal duty of all state and independent nursery schools and childminders.

Steiner schools do not teach reading until age seven, placing them in a difficult position. The importance of play is fundamental to early-years development in Steiner schools.

Armando Iannucci, the comedian and writer, this week joined a growing group of dissenters who have backed the Open EYE (early years education) campaign, which criticises the new curriculum.

barking · 30/03/2008 16:57

steiner schools fetishize nature while hiding their true role;
to promote anthroposophy and find the next little Manes/Manu.

northernrefugee39 · 30/03/2008 18:06

OOH- "a label that Steiner school is a bit weird", where on earth could anyone get that impression?

Barking, these articles just infuriate me. Why don't they ever elaborate on this "spritual" element they all find? Why don't the journalists do their homework?

They don't want to be elitist? They just want to incarnate these children onto a higher piritual plane than everyone else.

barking · 30/03/2008 18:14

Hi Northern
Remember the article 'warm and woolly'?
Maybe the journalist has links to the school already

northernrefugee39 · 30/03/2008 18:19

Zooey- I've just read your blog piece about Steiner waldorf pupils being taught that they
are superior, condescending, over-inflated importance...it's so TRUE.
The teachers and anthroposophists give them this idea of being above mere ordinary people, because they have this special knowledge. While most people would say that Steiner education gives confidence, it's not just that is it? it is that idea that they are infinitely superior to most others.

see Zooey's piece here

northernrefugee39 · 30/03/2008 18:20

{smile] Yes- I think you're right- they only ever let the press do stories if they're positive don't they?

barking · 30/03/2008 18:25

Improving its humble resources is an important reason for seeking state funding, Mr Mepham admits.

Its the only reason

Though I hardly call a having a farmhouse and a converted barn being in desperate need!

barking · 30/03/2008 18:35

Just read Zzooey's blog and oh yes it is very familiar.

When we were in the smurf school as I shall call it from now on (thanks to another thread!) it was very much 'poor them' on the outside. As if everyone outside is asleep/spiritually inferior and just doesn't get it.

I crave normality now, I sometimes travel to the nearest normal town and want to embrace the local folk for living their lives truthfully and quietly without judging or forcing it down the necks of others.

zzooey · 30/03/2008 19:06

Thank you thank you

I was actually a bit - well - angry and irritated when I wrote that piece. (That particular moron had been going on for about a month repeating himself.)

But it is true - that's the kind of emotional state of mind that is fostered. Even if you aren't happy in waldorf, you're supposed to believe everything outside waldorf is so bad, poor all those people in the real world!

It sickens me when I see grown-ups who actually live this lie.

zzooey · 30/03/2008 19:08

for linking to my blog, I was to say, but cut in the middle of the sentence. And thanks for reading.

Janni · 30/03/2008 19:20

I read articles like the one about Hereford and completely understand how I was drawn in, at that point in my life. It all sounds so lovely, doesn't it?

zzooey · 30/03/2008 22:50

...and the obnoxious moron is back to show his true waldorfian character again (in the comments to the post northern linked to).

I'm fed up

northernrefugee39 · 31/03/2008 11:00

Zooey- I can't read the Swedish- what did the comments say- the jist of it?
Is he an ex student supporting Steiner Waldorf?

northernrefugee39 · 31/03/2008 11:15

what lives under this bush?

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