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STEINER WALDORF SCHOOLS AND INSTITUTIONS

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theantignome · 29/02/2008 09:25

hi everyone, i wanted to start a new thread with a NEW topic heading here, as the active one at the moment with over 700 posts looks like it is all about the Cambridge school. This may confuse newcomers.

Let's continue the debate here !
All newcomers welcome !

I will shortly link our two previous threads on MN for any one new to have a look at.

Davy, could you also give a link to your new yahoo list here please ? Thanks.

OP posts:
northernrefugee39 · 26/03/2008 14:37

Barking so harsh so harsh so honest..

northernrefugee39 · 26/03/2008 14:44

some want to fly, some want to be stuck in their own little world

or has it reached
this?

zzooey · 26/03/2008 17:06

That last one is the book Sune should've bought 10 years ago!

I guess Floris Press wouldn't print Staudenmaier though. But anything crappy enough.

northernrefugee39 · 26/03/2008 17:36

Steiner waldorf computer

northernrefugee39 · 26/03/2008 17:39

it's nearly all wooden...

barking · 26/03/2008 17:59

Oh Northern
Have I remembered somewhere on one of the many steiner threads over these past few months that children aren't allowed to play football or cycle as they haven't fully incarnated into their earth body yet....is that why they have invented such a contraption?

I wonder how old you have to be to use a proper bike....62? 89?

I'd forgotton the soft illustrations from Floris. Sooo spiritual.

Janni · 26/03/2008 18:45

It's Sune trying to make his getaway

kneedeepinthedirtylaundry · 26/03/2008 19:46

Janni, I'm not gnomey. I don't think we've met before. I don't hang around much. Just came on to look for some Steiner info and was well rewarded. Thank you mumsnet!

Sune, what's my identity got to do with any of this? Trying to find something on me to discredit me with? Well, I'm sure there would be loads - I make mistakes, and when I do, I tend to acknowledge them and apologise for them and any offence/hurt caused by them.

Know what I'm saying?

northernrefugee39 · 26/03/2008 19:57

Yeah- the pony tail certainly.... blond ponytail....one of our daughter's class teacher's had a blond pony tail, eughhh.

There was a better bike from wood on the website, but it wouldn't go to it in the link....

this is called a child's dream come true!

Nightmare!

non ahrimanic memory sticks

northernrefugee39 · 26/03/2008 20:00

Oh- i can't do it- there were some memory sticks which looked like twigs- real wood....sorry to be crap at links, I thought I'd learnt it....

northernrefugee39 · 26/03/2008 20:00

Knee- you're going to cause much confusion...

Thebee · 26/03/2008 20:23

kneedeepinthedirtylaundry,

If you have not discussed Waldorf education here at MN before you appeared as kneedeepinthedirtylaundry in this thread, I apologize for suspecting you of having been northernrefugee39, one of the most fervent anti-Waldorf posters in the Steiner Waldorf threads, who some time ago tried to create a "supporter" of herself by creating a "new" user, who claimed:

"I have been lurking.
As far as I can see, and I've been watching these threads for some time, as at one point I was considering Steiner school for my kids."

Unfortunately for her, she failed to log in with her new, troll name, and instead logged in with her usual fervent northern name.

Most of Steiner's courses and talks on Waldorf education are found here online. I assume you have looked at my and some other's experiences over many years of the small anti-Waldorf fringe group, from whose mailing list most of the waldorf critics here at MN come.

The article on Waldorf education at Wikipedia, restricted to only use reliable sources on possible controversial issues after an arbitration about a year ago, something DianaW and Zzoey don't like very much, this and this link to and constitute probably some of the most extensive resources on Waldorf education on the net.

If all you have read on Waldorf education is what has been posted in these discussions at MN, you have gotten a very limited picture of WE.

Janni · 26/03/2008 20:33

Sorry - Kneedeep. Nice to meet you anyway. 'Gnomey' is how I think of 'The antignome' who started this thread and who doesn't seem to be here any more [smil]

Janni · 26/03/2008 20:33

a [smil] is a Steiner smile - not quite real

Janni · 26/03/2008 20:39

It was so sad at my children's school - they loved to play football but if it was during school hours they were not allowed to kick the ball. One evening the 12 year olds were running around outside, waiting to perform a play for parents, when some local children invited them to play football. Their teacher said they weren't allowed and marched them back inside.

This sort of thing did a lot for relations between the Steiner School and the local community, as you can imagine

barking · 26/03/2008 20:39

Sune and Eva pontificating

Janni · 26/03/2008 20:42
  • watch out, that one could be libellous!
northernrefugee39 · 26/03/2008 20:48

barking

At least I owned up thebee/sune...yes- I failed, and I don't give a fig....so you can go on linking to that as much as you like- I think it's funny.

And really- there are enough people who come on mumsnet and read the threads without me having to create a new one, I've now realised. There are loads of them.

But there aren't many who come on and congratulate you on your sites, or say- "now I've read sune's sites, I think I'll go with steiner waldorf"
I think people tend to believe those of us who have had personal experience of Steiner school, and who have researched the true agenda of anthroposophy.

I fail to see why you're hanging around
here.

Have you had anything published?

barking · 26/03/2008 20:49

I met a little dusty Gnome

He said it?s time to get a life

Round, round, round

Swish, swish, swish

Get a life

plumandolive · 26/03/2008 20:52

I watch this thread 'cos it fascinates me, and I used to know a family quite well who went to Steiner school.

There aren't many Steiner bods on here though are there?

Why don't they support what they believe in?

Right, off to watch Apprentice now beter than this

kneedeepinthedirtylaundry · 26/03/2008 20:53

Apologies in advance for the epistle I have written below. It just came tumbling out.

Sune, I have read literature produced by the organisation and a school prospectus. I have read a government report on Steiner education that was generally positive, so I have looked at both sides of the picture as much as I can, given time limits, etc.

I don't know much about anthroposophy, and I'm sure there are good anthros out there, as there are good jews, muslims, hindus, buddhists, christians...

But we are all aware that power-greedy, control-freak, over-zealous (etc etc) people do tend to climb the ranks within organisations, and I'm sure anthro is just as prone to zealotry and fundamentalism as any faith is. Doesn't mean you're all a bunch of nutters, though! Just, as with any faith, some of you are, and perhaps some of these are the more mover-and-shaker types that have influence in schools, etc.

However, I am worried by a small number of PERSONAL (so much more important than what you might read in a book or website) experiences/feelings I had in my brushing up closer to Steiner schools/anthro stuff while exploring this possiblity for my child.

Firstly, one person I spoke to on the telephone that runs a school was incredibly judgemental about me and my choices (and, what's worse, they got the wrong end of the stick and judged me on that misconception!). Nevertheless, I asked for a prospectus that never came through the post. Perhaps it got lost, but perhaps that person decided I wasn't suitable, based on a short conversation on the telephone in which innacurate snap judgements were made.

Secondly, as I mentioned before, when I went to visit a school, I was keen to see how the kindergarten children seemed on leaving school. I really did not like what I saw. Either unhappy looking or disturbed looking, every single one of them. Not one single smile, not even for mum picking them up. What's that about?

Thirdly, my brief forays into Steiner culture at events, have left me with the impression that, while the 'civilians' interested in Steiner seem a perfectly good bunch, the more involved members of the community seemed to have a smug, self-satisfied air and seemed to be scrutinising and judging everyone in the joint. I wasn't expecting that and felt quite shocked by it the first time. My social radar was blinking all over the place.

Fourthly, having heard the impressive talk that a Steiner teacher gave at an open day I attended, I was surprised and horrified to hear people's experiences in which anthro beliefs came into the classroom (eg. karma, reincarnation) with such a strong negative impact (leaving bullies alone as it is the victim's karma, for eg.). This was NOT talked about at the school, or in the prospectus. In fact, one visitor asked the teacher if anthro was taught at the school, as if it was a faith school, or if the religious principles had any special or unusual impact on the teaching, and that teacher quite categorically said NO.

So all in all, I'm put right off. All religions have something beautiful to pass on (as well as a load of cobblers to go with it). It's a shame the humans that keep these philosophies going are so fallible.

kneedeepinthedirtylaundry · 26/03/2008 20:55

Janni - smil !!

northernrefugee39 · 26/03/2008 20:59

Gosh knee- that was very well put.

They don't actually teach anthroposophy, but it does inform all their decisionas and choices, so they can honestly say they don't TEACH it. The teachers have to attend anthroposophical study groups, their traning involves books bout anthroposophy, and they are adamant it isn't a religion....

Anthroposohy underpins everything in the Steiner movement, but they never mention it in any promotional literature.

There is very little smiling, laughter, emotion expressed at steiner, it's not deemed spiritual to show emotions....

Janni · 26/03/2008 21:00

Kneedeep - would you be able to give us a clue about which school you looked at? I know a few of them and I'm really curious! I understand if you don't want to.

barking · 26/03/2008 21:00

Thedustybeaver

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