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STEINER WALDORF SCHOOLS AND INSTITUTIONS

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theantignome · 29/02/2008 09:25

hi everyone, i wanted to start a new thread with a NEW topic heading here, as the active one at the moment with over 700 posts looks like it is all about the Cambridge school. This may confuse newcomers.

Let's continue the debate here !
All newcomers welcome !

I will shortly link our two previous threads on MN for any one new to have a look at.

Davy, could you also give a link to your new yahoo list here please ? Thanks.

OP posts:
barking · 04/03/2008 14:51

lovely chips

AMumInScotland · 04/03/2008 14:51

erm Ketchup?

northernrefugee39 · 04/03/2008 14:51

Barking

northernrefugee39 · 04/03/2008 14:56

lush, the racism is inbuilt. Our experience was really horrid.

The anthros kind of pity "lower"races, feel by being nice and spiritual they will prevent people coming back as an "evil race"- (Steiner's words)

What is intereting here, is that eva sune bar stool, hasn't posted anything about this.
he just goes on and on linking to his sites.
He IS a bar stool, attatched to a monitor.

northernrefugee39 · 04/03/2008 14:57

Have you anything to say about reincarnating as a lower race eva?
In language people can understand?

northernrefugee39 · 04/03/2008 15:00

So lush- if you didn't read any of Steiner's works or lectures, err, and you said you were so well informed......um ...... who informed you then?[hmn]

lush007 · 04/03/2008 15:01

well I don't know what to say as I haven't experienced racism. Was it blatant and would you be able to expand on would this expose you? If the latter then no worries - don't post it!

northernrefugee39 · 04/03/2008 15:01

The schools?

With their nothing about the bollocks promo literature?

Or ditto, sites like sune's?

See how easy it is to be brainwashed?

Even you...
Who would have thought it?

northernrefugee39 · 04/03/2008 15:07

Well, I don't really mind about being exposed any more.

It's mostly to do with my kids who still see a couple of people fro there.

And possible action

So I have to be careful I suppose.

Although I'm bursting to spread it around for obvious reasons.

It was commented on at the time, by other fairly partisan observers.

Of course I wanted to see the best. i wanted it to be ok for my kids. And when I fitted what had happened, which was quite specific, and always gave us the feeling there was more to it than their answers, with various beliefs of Steiner's and the very anthroposophical teachers involved, I realised why what had been done to one of my kids, and the otheres in a less blatent way.

Thinking about it now, makes my hackles rise.

That's why I'm so keen to expose them, and people like Sune make me sick, with his cover ups and matey sychophancy.

lush007 · 04/03/2008 15:09

I based my decision on what I saw, parents & teachers whom I spoke to and the research on the net including PLANS.

Look I wasn't happy with the education that my ds1 was experiencing and because I knew that my ds2 was a child who does not like sitting still and had showed no interest in the 3 R's at all then I had to find another kind of education that would suit their way of learning. Both are now flourishing, both are showing an interest in art, both are creative, both ask tons of questions, both like reading. DS2 keeps showing me letters and words that he has written by himself and I am amazed at his own desire to now read & write. That's it in a nut!

northernrefugee39 · 04/03/2008 15:10

Children are the innocent vicyims of this soft racism, as someone called it.
They don't know why teachers do things.
And of all teachers,Steiner schools have the most immense power.
They are thought of as more important than the parents.
And they think they have a spiritual task. They think they're beyond normal boundaries because it's all done in the name of spirituality.
Got to go.
Bye

lush007 · 04/03/2008 15:12

Ok - well speak later eh?

Same here as I just looked at the bleeding time...arrggghh!

Eva52 · 04/03/2008 15:16

Northernrefugee39, you write:

"Would you like to give a quick resume of anthroposophy, which is the central core of all Steiner education, to the newcomers on this thread?"

No small request! it took me ten years to begin to feel that I started to understand what anthroposophy is. During the ten years, I felt like touching a large elephant in the dark without knowing what it was and be able to identify it.

Then some 28 years ago, I suddenly felt that I got a glimpse of the core of it. I've put a description of this here.

There are many possible perspectives. In my very personal view, I think describing it from (the) four aspects or levels (descibed at the page) approaches a good summary, that many people who in some sense consider themselves to be "anthroposophists" would not disagree with.

What is anthroposophy, a I see it?

  • Anthroposophy is a spiritual philosophy, mainly developed by Rudolf Steiner (1861-1925) at the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century. It is born out of a philosophy of freedom, living at the core of anthroposophy.
  • It is a path of knowledge or spiritual research, developed on the basis of European idealistic philosophy, rooted in the philosophies of Aristotle, Plato, and Thomas Aquinas. It is primarily defined by its method of research, and secondly by the possible knowledge or experiences this leads to.

From this perspective, anthroposophy can also be called spiritual science. As such, it is an effort to develop not only natural scientific, but also a spiritual scientific research on the basis of the idealistic tradition, in the spirit of the historical strivings, that have led to the development of modern science.

On this basis, anthroposophy strives to bridge the clefts that have developed since the Middle Ages between the sciences, the arts and the religious strivings of man as the three main areas of human culture, and build the foundation for a synthesis of them for the future.

  • Anthroposophy also is an impulse to nurture the life of the soul in the individual and in human society, meaning among other things to nurture the respect for and interest in other people on a purely human basis independently of their origin and views.
  • It also has possible practical implications and as such lives as applied or practical anthroposophy in various "daughter movements" of anthroposophy.

The most developed of these daughter movements of anthroposophy are biodynamic farming, Waldorf schools anthroposophical curative education and anthroposophical medicine.

When anthroposophy is cultivated on all the four levels it becomes something very living and inspiring beyond what you would expect. When it is cultivated in a more limited sense, which mostly is the case, you only get a glipse of what anthroposophy is at its core.

This is quite short and abstract, but at least an effort to cover all of the basic aspects of anthroposophy - as I understand it - in a way that gives a faint but balanced picture of it, that can then be deepened and developed much further on all four points, with regard to what they actually mean and their sources through human history.

Eva52 · 04/03/2008 15:45

Or from another perspective:

Anthroposophy is a human oriented spiritual philosophy that reflects and speaks to our basic deep spiritual questions as humans, to our basic artistic needs, to the need to relate to the world out of a scientific attitude of mind, and to the need to develop a relation to the world in complete freedom and based on completely individual judgments and decisions.

Waldorf education starts with - and has the task of - building and supporting the unlimited, generic religious type of trust of the small child in the world as a good place to live in.

It continues in the lower grades with a shift to more consciously in steps cultivating our relation to the world out of what is beautiful in it in the broadest sense of the word, through rhythm, movement, color, form, recitation, song, music.

And in the upper grades the focus shifts to cultivating a conscious scientific relation to the world, based on personal experience and thinking, fter having prepared for this in more elementary forms from the very first stages of Waldorf education.

The goal is to prepare the pupils for a life when they as adults in freedom as fully as possible can choose and realize their individual path through life.

In that sense, Waldorf education reflects the nature of anthroposophy.

Eva52 · 04/03/2008 15:58

By the way, northernrefugee39, have you finally decided if you are the fervent poster northernrefugee39/xxxxx in the anti-Waldorf threads here at MN since long, or the lurker, who only has been watching all these strange discussions go on, and now finally decided to have your say here, but - unluckily - happened to tell that you were not the lurker you wrote that you were, but northernrefugee39 after all?-))

Any which one is OK with me.

StripeyMamaSpanx · 04/03/2008 16:14

I'm still here actually.

I just can't be arsed with the argument anymore. I'm happy with my (informed) decision for my child. I dont really feel the need to try and convince anyone else.

I'm still reading though - watching you all tie yourself up in name changes, quotes/counter quotes, accusations/counter accusations, and generally bicker about semantics is strangely mesmerising.

northernrefugee39 · 04/03/2008 16:23

Sorry eva sune, hat just doesn't answer the question for me.

Based on the philosophies of Arostotle plato and Aquinas- these where philosophers Steiner believed were his previous reincarnations - yes or no?

Spritual science has very little to do with what most people reading this thread would think of as modern science. It involves clairvoyance and the belief that all humans have the ability to communicate with the spirit world. Humans will be communicating claivoyantly by the year 3573. Yes or no eva?

Steiner often called his "science", occult science,or divine science.
This science also believes that humans continually reincarnate, the earth is evolving through various "epochs", Atlantis existed, early human life evolved from the old moon,and Saturn .

To be on this spiritual path that eva mentions, Steiner recommends that in order to develop clairvoyant ability, the disciple musn't use his brain, or over analyse ( are you going up the path speedily eva?)

Oh God, I can't bear it... I'm losing the will to live as someone put it.

Eva/Sune - it's so BORING and BONKERS.

Here's Rudolf Steiner's intrduction to anthroposophy

wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA026/English/RSP1973/GA026_index.html

northernrefugee39 · 04/03/2008 16:28

Oh hi stripey.
I'm glad people still watch the threads tho'

Lush, I can see why you fight your corner so avidly, now you've fessed up to never having read any Steiner before.

How could you be so horrid for 867 posts then?

When all the time you had no idea what it was all about?

It positively reeks of... something but I can't think of a good reek.

I need a reek....

lush007 · 04/03/2008 16:34

Come on fgs, I 'fessed up ages ago that I haven't read any of his actual works!

lush007 · 04/03/2008 16:35

Crikey, I have been horrid? Then if I have, I apologise...

but can you define horrid?

northernrefugee39 · 04/03/2008 16:36

But you know what Lush, I think Steiner classes are one of the most boring I have ever seen.
Have you ever sat in on one?
You're not generally allowed to.

When kids at the school started complaining about being so bored, these were camphill kids, anthro kids, not just outsiders, I used to turn up early and listen, for a long time sometimes. Sit by the coats and listen. It was excrutiatingly dull. Just the teacher droning on and on , with nothing but a chalk drawing on the board. No text books, ( because the kids books represent them) and text books might have some truths about the world they don't want the kids to know, like man evolved from apes, not jelly babies.

And no other stimulation.

The kids copied and copied and copied.

That's why eva sune talking about freedom is a load of flub.
Freedom is the opposite of what the schools teach.

lush007 · 04/03/2008 16:41

Blimey, Hi stripey, sorry, I missed your post!

lush007 · 04/03/2008 16:43

side issue - do we have to see that pig on the banner ad to the right? It really is upsetting, poor thing!

StripeyMamaSpanx · 04/03/2008 16:44

Hi!

Off to the chip shop

northernrefugee39 · 04/03/2008 16:44

We've been through theis before Sune, LAY OFF- you are hurting my kids by trying to put my real name.
You are one sick old man.

If you think you can find the school my kids were at, which is I presume, your goal, you won't. And I would hope, that since it is young children who you are hurting here, you mght stop and think before you go further.

I don't use my married name.

For my sake I don't care if you find out anything, because if I do take action, some sad old anthro in Sweden obviously has no swing.

Eva /Sune, I fessed up and cocked up.I was totaly honest, and not very good on the computer.

If you didn't stalk people arouind the net, you wouldn't be able to try to guess my name.

You are just making me more determined than ever to uncover the lies and deception which Steiner schools and anthroposophists veil.

And if you weren't worried, you wouldn't be here.

So the more you're around, the more it's obvious how running scared you are.

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