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SATS ... useless poll .. answer yes or no please

81 replies

Twiglett · 08/02/2008 08:19

Are SATS a good thing?

at year 2?
NO

at year 6?
NO

at year 9?
YES

OP posts:
LadyMuck · 08/02/2008 08:59

I think that children's learning should be assessed, and it is helpful if it can be assessed against common standards/criteria.

I think that there may be better ways to achieve this than via the current SATS format at all stages.

twelveyeargap · 08/02/2008 09:02

NO, NO and NO.

League tables are a scourge as well.

duchesse · 08/02/2008 09:13

I think that informal monitoring of children's learning is a must, with that information transferred either in writing or personally from one teacher to the next year's teacher.

SATS however, are in my view a heap of shite. Lower achieving schools panic about them and waste/ misdirect huge amounts of resources into not appearing to be doing badly, and schools at the top of the charts are frequently playing fast and loose with rules and regulations governing them (read- cheating) to keep their top spot. They were never meant to test individual children, but to keeps tabs on the school; however, most schools are using the information gained to assess children.

I think testing at yr R-4 should be done informally but properly. If problems are apparent with literacy at beginning y4, children should be scooted into a "high dependency" unit with more staffing, more fun (!), assessed extensively, and assisted to gain literacy in the quickest possible time period. If they catch up, they can go back into standard classroom as and when they are ready. If there are still major problems at 11, they should have the option of delaying entry to secondary school until they are 12 or 13- if they go into sec school unable to read or write, they are basically stuffed.

By extension, I would scrap y6 sats on the premise that they are pretty damn useless anyway other than to highlight the lack of proactivity of the school over the previous 6 years. If a child can read & write and do basic maths, brilliant. If they can't, it's too bloody late by then.

Yr 9 SATS in the main only show the same gaps in attainment as the yr6 ones, and are another nail in the coffin of those who left primary school illiterate or functionally illiterate. Not very motivating. They should be replaced by intensive careers advice at yr9, and orientation according to desire and ability thereafter.

So basically, scrap the bloody lot of them is my answer.

DANCESwithaMuffinTop · 08/02/2008 09:15

Yr2
NO

Yr6
NO

Yr9
MAYBE...don't know enough about secondary yet to know what the reason is for having them at that age.

duchesse · 08/02/2008 09:15

Sorry- I just failed that test by jumping on my soapbox.

NO
NO
NO

cory · 08/02/2008 09:15

in Year 2
NO- the children are too little and I can't see that it benefits them in any way. (though dd's school dealt with it so tactfully that half the class didn't realise they were being examined and nobody cared)

But haven't Yr 2 SATS been abolished? My ds didn't do them last year.

in Year 6
depends

in Year 9
not there yet, but I imagine YES

Year 6 SATS are what we're dealing with atm. From our point of view they are actually having good effects:

dd is given a chance to identify and fill the gaps in her knowledge (especially in maths)

she is getting a more positive attitude towards homework and studying as all her friends are also doing it

she has a very enthusiastic and brilliant maths teacher who manages to make it a fun experience for them

also a very good teacher in literacy

But I can see that for other children, under less fortunate circumstances, SATS might have a negative effect. And if she was able-bodied, I would resent the cutting down on sports this term to fit in more SATS lessons. In fact, I'm prepared to resent that anyway, on behalf of the other children.

MinkVelvet · 08/02/2008 09:16

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snorkle · 08/02/2008 09:16

I don't really have a problem with them as long as they are kept fairly low key (that said my dc don't actually do them in year 9).

mrsmike · 08/02/2008 09:27

Often they use the yr 9 results to put the children in to sets for GCSE work - and at the school my dss go to, once you are in a set it is quite hard to move out of it, and this determines what level you study gcse . So SATS can have consequences for the individual in yr 9.

Bramshott · 08/02/2008 09:31

Year 2 - NO
Year 6 - YES, it's important to have some kind of test at the end of primary school (we did J4 I think?) but keep it low key.
Year 9 - NO, they are tested enough in secondary already!

Saggarmakersbottomknocker · 08/02/2008 09:36

Yr2 No

Yr6 Assessment yes, in the current SATs format. No.

Yr9 No

Saturn74 · 08/02/2008 09:37

NO
NO
NO

juuule · 08/02/2008 09:38

NO
NO
NO

MascaraOHara · 08/02/2008 09:40

No
No
No

dippydeedoo · 08/02/2008 09:41

im voting.....DUCHESSE
NO
NO
NO

lennygrrl · 08/02/2008 09:41

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snorkle · 08/02/2008 09:43

Independent schools that don't do SATs in year 9 still manage to stream children in some subjects though - just using the end of year exams (& maybe other evidence). As I see it the SATs are just standardised exams and if a school is going to hold exams anyway then they may as well use SATs.

The problem is that some people get overly wound up about them.

Some parents get overly wound up because they're too competative - but that sort of parent would get wound up over ordinary exam or test results or something anyway, so no big deal.

Some schools get wound up over them because of league tables. That's not a fault of SATs themselves, more the system.

hotcrossbunny · 08/02/2008 09:44

Am all for assessment, but not the straitjacket which is SATs. Surely the teachers in Primary school shopuld be assessing as they go along, and can use that as evidence? Each spelling test is evidence, each piece of written work... Same for maths, science etc. You don't need formal tests where parents can buy test papers and cram their children for it... WAAAAAAY too much stress IMO.

My MIL marks Year 6 SATs. She says that each schools papers are like clones of each other. No individual thinking. Also the rules for correct and incorrect are getting too lax. She says she has to give a mark for something which 10 years ago would have been wrong. That's not helpful for anyone, least of all the children.

Secondary school needs to have some structured assessment. No idea if SATs are the right form though. We'll see when dd gets there.....

Tortington · 08/02/2008 09:53

no no no

cat64 · 08/02/2008 09:53

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buggerycrap · 08/02/2008 09:54

no
no
dont know

(am a teacher too)

needmorecoffee · 08/02/2008 09:55

no
no and no.

LittleBella · 08/02/2008 09:57

No
No
Don't know

themildmanneredjanitor · 08/02/2008 09:58

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itsahardknocklife · 08/02/2008 09:59

no
no
no
and I am a secondary teacher.