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SATS ... useless poll .. answer yes or no please

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Twiglett · 08/02/2008 08:19

Are SATS a good thing?

at year 2?
NO

at year 6?
NO

at year 9?
YES

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elibelly · 09/02/2008 11:19

I appreciate that she is the exception, but DD in year 2 is looking forward to SATs, she thinks it sounds like fun. She's quite competitive and enjoys a challenge.

My personal opinion though is

Yr 2 No
Yr 6 Yes
Yr 9 No

Twiglett · 09/02/2008 17:43

no I don't think that's the exception most of the 6 and 7 year olds I know love taking the tests .. but politically and ethically they are just wrong

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roisin · 09/02/2008 17:46

I agree Twig. My boys enjoy most kinds of testing, and fortunately are at a school that doesn't obsess about SATs. They don't spend much time on endless practise papers, and the kids largely don't get stressed about it.

But it doesn't make the system right.

lljkk · 09/02/2008 19:04

My answer is "undecided" at all 3 testing ages.

6 months ago I would have voted yes for all, but I think I'm turning anti because lately DS (y3) complains a lot about assessments and tests, it's hindering his enjoyment of school. I know the school is trying hard to improve its SAT results (steadily declining over last 4 years).
So I can believe what Anonymama said.

smartiejake · 11/02/2008 12:03

I think the main beef I have with SATs is that because of league tables teachers spend an innordinate amount of time teaching kids to pass them. Most of the year 6 work done at the junior school I work at seems to involve revision. And practise test papers (We were in special measures a few year ago and are under pressure to keep our targets up.)

Also the "optional" tests(Ha ha that's a joke ofsted would have something to say if you didn't have this data for year 3,4, and 5) are not levelled correctly so some kids come up with levels they have not yet reached. Much better if they had one test for each level and a child, regardless of age took it when they were ready for it (not tied to league tables either)

I don't agree with year 9 sats either. Really can't see the point of them and again another year wasted teaching kids to pass a test.
DD1 goes to an independent secondary school where they don't do them but they still get GCSE results as good as one of the local grammar schools, said to be in the top 5 in the country.

DD1s school is not selective either and they have quite a few children with SN too.

As for tests at year 2 TOTALLY RIDICULOUS! NO NO NO NO NO!!!

scaryteacher · 12/02/2008 08:23

SATS are a waste of time and effort, and only show how a child is doing on a given day. It is much better for continual formative and summative assessments to be done by teachers who know the students. I spent 3 years persuading a lad who had less than average SATS at year 6 and year 9 that he could achieve, as he pigeonholed himself as thick. He is a very bright lad, and achieved excellent GCSE grades and is now doing A levels with a view to reading law later. He spent all that time with no confidence in his own ability because of the SATS.

SATS tell you squat really, and they don't tell you how a student is going to do in your subject at GCSE, as they don't test all subjects. Internal exams at the end of each academic year are far more beneficial (I know the marking is a drag), as the students then get used to the exam set up, and having to revise for a range of subjects, which is what they will have to do at GCSE anyway.

DS goes to an International school near Brussels where they have just dropped KS2 SATS, having done nothing but SATS practice from October half term up to the test. So much for a breadth of education in Year 6! They then announced that this was the last year they were doing them! Waste of time, money and effort, and not marked externally either. They don't do KS3 SATS and assess internally, which is better, as teachers (being the professional people that we are), do actually know how out students are doing.

SATS stress the students unnecessarily as the school has to get results. As previously said, the SATS test the teachers ability to teach to the test and the exam skills needed to attain the top levels, not the students ability to apply information to the questions set.

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