Chinese Ownership of 17 private schools in Uk

[dipdips]

I know this was in the Daily Fail but is there any truth in it? Are these schools really spreading propaganda or is this a bit of sensationalism? Anyone have a child at these schools and can refute this, they don’t seem to have asked parents their opinions!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9282617/British-private-institutions-bought-Chinese-firms.html

[quote Nathbiker]@Letsleepingdogslie8 an interesting concept! I think, however, that given most British international Schools have to be approved, run and inspected by the local education authorities, and most foreign governments actively promote British independent schools opening up on their soil, I think the thirst for a well established and effective educational model is what they see British schooling as... if it was propaganda, the Chinese wouldn’t be endorsing the many hundreds of them in/opening in China, I’m sure!

@dipdips, no worries! There’s so many that are also British companies too, ‘gardener schools’ are another example, they own a number of London Indies including Kew House School. L[/quote]
Let's get facts straight.
British schools and Uni's have been able to open up in China but this has come under intense scrutiny because they ethos of British education is based on free speech and this flies in the face of the controlling communist party - hence they have curtailed any further opening of foreign education facilities - it requires heavy oversight by the government.
Also, here have been a number of UK academics removed from the boards from these Uni's in China because they have published &/spoken about agenda's not in line with the communist party.

If China can prevent/close schools because they are not in line with their beliefs then sure we have the same right to prevent this influence.
Or do we continue to tolerate the intolerant?

@MangoFeverDream

I’m not going to legitimise a newspaper which has roots in the facist movement and has recently had some appalling misleading headlines when it comes to immigration, for example

Then don’t. But then don’t come into this thread and try to shut down conversation just because you don’t like the source.

Having a tiny splash of decent reporting amongst a sea of hate is not good enough for me I’m afraid

Again, fine for you. But ask yourself why other news media won’t touch certain topics? If we are concerned about immigration issues or trans issues, and the DM is the only one willing to cover it, that essentially means you won’t be a part of the conversation.

Again, maybe fine for you. But I don’t accept that.

Debate and discussion are ESSENTIAL as stifling this only forces reasonable right leaning people, lean further to the right....before long, they become far right!......same thing happened with the rise of the Nazis!

It's ironic that the fervent support that we receive from the left to prevent racism is actually fuelling moderate right voters to the far right (hence the rise of Farage & Co).......this is what happened before WW2 and is happening now in Europe......Socialist EU has their head in the sand while the far right is on the march (i.e. Austria, Netherlands, Hungary, in France where they are 2nd largest party and now even Germany!!).

It scares me my race will be the 1st to be targeted given I am coloured so an obvious target (I grew up under the National Front days and it was a scary place).

Freedom of speech should naturally include sensitive discussions on immigration - it's not racist to do so - if we stifle these types of award discussions then we push a significant chunk of the electorate to the far right (over time - this is how Brexit happened - what next?).

Let's grow up and grant everyone free speech, even it it's an uncomfortable awkward topic - problem is champagne socialists stifle this but do not have to suffer the consequence in the same way as I would

@Snooptheboot

Meh. My Dh works at a private school that’s recently been taken over by Spanish investors. Wonder why the fail isn’t up in arms about that? I’m sure DH’s school isn’t the only one.

Let time I checked - Spain supports free speech and does not commit human rights crimes Chine on the other hand does

It is not racist to notice the infiltration and implications of the CCP - a political party - throughout the UK and the West.

in.news.yahoo.com/chinese-communist-partys-members-infiltrated-164850910.html

For those criticising the link in the DM, maybe ask why other publications don't cover such stories? I

One of the famous private British schools in China (won’t mention which one) now has more local kids rather than foreign passport holders.

Same in Hk- the franchises- Harrow, Malvern, Shrewsbury, Wycombe Abbey have a big majority of local kids whose parents want an international curriculum. V few expats. However, it’s important to point out that these franchise schools bear zero cultural resemblance to their namesake schools, nor were they ever intended to. International franchising is weird imo and is just a money spinner for the U.K. school that owns the brand.

In reference to the story, one of the issues is that chinese ( mainland and Hk) demand for British boarding places far outstrips supply as most of the big names cap international numbers. Therefore one solution for struggling schools is to reinvent themselves as a British school for international students.

However you the contradict your view by then excluding the Daily Mail on grounds of proven lies (all newspapers interpret data to fit their views) and bias (well all newspapers carry a bias from the Morning Star to the Telegraph).

A more accurate description of your approach would be that you take your news from a variety of sources that are in line with your existing views and exclude those that aren't on grounds of bias. You are then able to reinforce pre existing held views

None of that bears any resemblance to what I said, @1dayatatime, or indeed to what I do. It seems to reflect your own prejudices.

I don't exclude news from biased sources, rather the contrary, I want to know what they are saying. What I don't do is to take news from known inaccurate sources without a large pinch of salt unless and until it's confirmed.

Does it matter really.
At some time Rothschilds had something to do with my dd school because their signs are on the ancient walls.

Charities cannot be foreign owned, you fo not own a charity and there's strict rules on who can be a trustee. Just a very quick google search shows that they are not charities and to own a school, even a fit profit one there's a fit and proper person test, foreign governments would not be allowed. If money has been invested that's different to running the school

@mootymoo

Charities cannot be foreign owned, you fo not own a charity and there's strict rules on who can be a trustee. Just a very quick google search shows that they are not charities and to own a school, even a fit profit one there's a fit and proper person test, foreign governments would not be allowed. If money has been invested that's different to running the school

It is very naive to think that foreign governments cannot circumvent foreign ownership rules. Many companies in China appear to be independent but are actually state owned We need to wake up and see things for what they are rather than what we read or are told

I know that a school in Hampshire (Forres Sandle Manor) has just been bought by a Chinese investor but it’s been kept quite quiet - I know a teacher there hence knowing. I think the concern is not where the investors are from, but it turning from a charitable trust with a board of governors to a private business. It must change the ethos of a school?

I think parents are being very naive not to consider the implications of Chinese state involvement in UK educational institutions.

Good article here by Nick Cohen. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/15/no-friendly-politician-is-too-obscure-for-insecure-china-not-even-barry-gardiner

They no longer stay as charities and become limited companies often based in China.