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QCA's yr 5 what do the results mean?

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Piffleoffagus · 22/07/2004 21:07

Have got DS's results here in basic number form, no idea what they are out of?
His end of yr report said above average results, but how do I interpret them, say as a percentage?
Have googled but find the gov websites a maze and unintelligible plus adobe ain't working on our pc just yet?
Any knowledgeable folks?

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Piffleoffagus · 23/07/2004 10:09

bump? any teachers know?

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Hulababy · 23/07/2004 10:14

To be honest I am not sure; maybe a primary school teacher will know more.

What numbers was he given?

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Piffleoffagus · 23/07/2004 11:09

reading 116
spelling 122
mathematics 112
And then it just says he was above average rather than explain what they are out of etc..
very strange...

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hmb · 23/07/2004 11:24

Sorry no idea, as I am secondary rather than primary.

The Qca website is awful, will have a quick shufti for you........

foxinsocks · 23/07/2004 11:27

piffle - there is something on that website.

age standardised scores

click on the links to the right and you can see the score he's been given (sort of shows you where he is relative to others and what his score was before 'age' adjustment)!! not very clear though

ps not stalking you!!

foxinsocks · 23/07/2004 11:32

very confusing...but from those sheets you can work back to see what his raw score was (e.g. out of 90 in maths I think) and then back to what level he was on the level threshold link on the left hand side

foxinsocks · 23/07/2004 11:33

if you can't get adobe to work (and I think it is only the maths one) I have the sheet up now so can go back to the raw score if you give me age in years and months

cazzybabs · 23/07/2004 11:50

I think it is age standarised scores so roughly 100 is average, so anything above that is very good. Basically you get given a chart when you mark these optional SATS and you use the raw score (ie what the child actually got) and the age of the child to give you these standarised scores. It is so you can compare all children fairly - ie independent of age.

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Piffleoffagus · 23/07/2004 16:21

erks dh e mailed me it
still have not the clearest idea about what it means though, clear as mud LOL
never mind I know he is doing well
thanks for you help foxinsox!!!

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popsycal · 23/07/2004 20:07

piffle - been afew years since i admnstered qca5 BUT!!!

the age standardised scores are a quotient calculated from their raw score......beasically to take age into account....
'average' would be 100
works like an IQ test in terms of score (but it isnt a measure of his iq though....)

basically if an august birthday child got the same raw score as a septmeber birthday child, then the august birthday child would get a higher age standardised quotient as they are younger when taking the test....

they age standarised score is not 'out of' anything as such.....

does that help at all!?!

tigermoth · 24/07/2004 07:20

piffle, I don't know if this is the same thing, but my son took some assessment tests six months ago, with a similar scoring system - ie 100 was average and the score was based on age. The assesment was done by the 11+ practice centre he attended, before he had lessons, just to see his strengths and weaknesses. He scored over 100 in the tests (between 105 - 120 depending on subject). I was told in order to pass the 11+ he needed to average 115(I think). In our borough just passing the test does not guarantee a place anyway as the grammar schools are heavily oversubscribed. The pass rate will vary from year to year as well. My son will be having another assessmet next week, but this time the test will be a little harder, apparently.

I can ask the assessor some questions on your behalf if you want me to. Or, if you want information based on your borough's school assessment methods, how about contacting a local private tutoring centre and asking them to explain the results? The centres should be open during the summer holidays so I'm sure you should be able to speak to someone. HTH

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Piffleoffagus · 24/07/2004 20:19

we are changing county from Hants to Lincs which does have a grammar school system, the 11+ in Lincs is the verbal reasoning papers, I know he will sail these in all likelihood he sat some practive papers and did them in light speed and never got a single thing wrong.
I know he got the best matsh mark, last yr we were told he got no questions wrong, he is a February kid so not the oldest by a long way.
I am just really keen to know!

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charlize · 24/07/2004 20:28

Don't know if this is any help but on my ds report from last yr (y5) it says that 100 is an average score. 115+ a maderatly high score and 130+ an extemely high score.
It is all confusing though. I have just ben through 11+ with my ds last january . He had to sit verbal reasoning maths and english.

tigermoth · 24/07/2004 20:30

just out of curiosity, is it just verbal reasoning tests for the Lincs 11+? Where I am it's that plus non verbal and maths. All multiple choice questions though, so when ds doesn't know a question, he has hope of picking the correct answer by luck if nothing else!

charlize · 24/07/2004 20:34

I wondered that too tigermoth... We would have preferd non verbal here as my ds is more mathamatical and wizzes through them. i would think that everywhere would surely throw in at least some maths?

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Piffleoffagus · 24/07/2004 20:48

the school is Carres Grammaer School, Sleaford - this si the test they choose the kids on, not sure if it is a Lincs thing or just that school...?
as DS will be homeschooled in yr 6, he will sit the 11+ at the actual grammar school on a saturday in october and in November, they have told us it is only the non verbal reasoning.
Ds is a whizz at maths too, but is a very good allrounder. If it turned out he didn;t make it then it would be better for him not to go, we have been constantly assured that he will do well, it is easier said than done at times though...

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charlize · 24/07/2004 20:59

piffle have you thought about entering him into any private school entrance exams?
He could get an assisted place or even a scholarship.
We don't have grammar here so our ds took the entrance exam to a very good and popular private school 200+ sat the exam and 90 were accepted.
The top 5 out of these 200 were awarded full academic scholarships for the whole of their school carreer regardless of parental income.
Luckily my ds was one of them. So this could be something for you to consider?

froot · 24/07/2004 21:14

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charlize · 24/07/2004 21:21

Sorry froot by full I mean 50% of fees. You only get 100% paid if you are on a low income but generally for whatever reason the scholarships tend to go to the kids from prep schools so we consider 50% the full .
Actually only the top 2 got full scholarships 3rd place got a third off and 4th and 5th got a quarter.
but by full I mean 50%. I think its the law that you can't give more than that.

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Piffleoffagus · 24/07/2004 21:35

carres grammar attains as good as or better results than any private school within a decent similar area, we are relocating from Hants (by way of work transfer) to this certain town in order to gain this placement anyway.
We will have to see how it pans out before thinking about any other options, I have a dd who may turn out to be special needs so quite frankly, the money is hers as she may need it more.

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charlize · 24/07/2004 21:47

Sorry piffle didn't know about your dd. Grammars are normally as you say as good or better than private but competition for some can be fierce but i thing thats more likely in london??
I remember my friends very bright ds didn't get into grammar in london because although he got a very high score a lot alsp passes and they were then taken on distance from school or something.
Have you any back up plan?

tigermoth · 26/07/2004 11:40

charlize, We're in London and that distance to school rule applies here as well. The top 180 of the over 4,500 children who sit the 11+ are guaranteed a grammar school place. The rest of the approx 2,000 who pass get allocated a grammar place based on the sibling rule and distance to school. So children who pass very well (but not in the top 180) have no advantage over children who just scrape through the test. It all depends on distance and siblings - and how oversubcribed the grammar school is.

charlize · 27/07/2004 08:36

Oh my Gosh!! Tigermoth 4000 children are sitting the test.!! Thats amazing. I suppose its good they at least let the top 180 in .
Is this the one your ds is going for?
Makes our entrance exan seem pathetic. Just 200 kids sat it and ds was after top 5 for scholarship. I was absolutley delighted when he came 1st but can you imagine coming 1st out of 4000! You would have to be einstein or something.

How is your tutoring going?

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Piffleoffagus · 27/07/2004 09:06

the grammar school says that every child who had the grammar school down as first choice and passed the 11+ got a place in the last 7 yrs.
So I have to assume that he will get in, I do have a back up plan, the tech college is arts specialty so he will go there as second choice, he is a maths whizz but also lives for music and art.
He is such an all rounder it is hard to knwo what to offer him for best really!
Cannot find a place as yet for his yr 6 up there...a aarrghhhh

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tigermoth · 27/07/2004 09:39

How I wish passing the 11+ guaranteed a place at grammar school around here! There are about 880 grammar places in total and well over 2,000 children pass the test apparently. Our school's Year 6 did really well this year. Of the 22 in the class, 8 are going to grammar school. They were an exceptionally good year though, so I can't use this example as a yardstick.

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