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Do you know how much your child's school budget will be cut? Use the link and post the answer here.

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ThroughTheOtherSide · 27/04/2017 17:17

www.schoolcuts.org.uk/#/schools. Use the link then add your post code. This will take you to a website that outlines the loss to your local school and what that equates to if teachers are cut. Some schools will be cutting support staff first others are fundraising.
Share the details of the loss here so we can see how this will affect our children's education. Also if you know what your school is doing to make up the shortfall please post it here.

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Clavinova · 30/04/2017 12:12

mrz
Clavinova the reputable sources are the National Audit Office and the Institute of Fiscal Studies check out their reports..

But I was responding to this comment on the thread-

I've heard from a very reputable source that 56 schools in West Sussex are going to be cutting staff, but the staff have not been told yet, so expect it to get much worse very soon.

Quite clearly from a Unison survey -
twitter.com/bbcsoutheast/status/855369249531072512

So the majority of schools in West Sussex are not planning any staff cuts for this academic year. Whilst I'm not disputing the cuts there is definitely an element of scaremongering.

mrz · 30/04/2017 12:50

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Do you know how much your child's school budget will be cut? Use the link and post the answer here.
BoneyBackJefferson · 30/04/2017 13:33

Clavinova
So the majority of schools in West Sussex are not planning any staff cuts for this academic year. Whilst I'm not disputing the cuts there is definitely an element of scaremongering.

So some schools are planning staff cuts this academic year, and there will be more next year. This is not scaremongering just stating what is happening.

lamado · 30/04/2017 13:56

My school and other local schools have not made any staff redundant, so technically they're not cutting any staff. However, where possible, staff leaving are not being replaced so the overall staffing level is falling. The cuts are only starting to bite so for the moment this measure is enough, but it is unlikely to see us through a continuing climate of cuts.

Clavinova · 30/04/2017 14:03

BoneyBackJefferson

But you can't just ignore posts like this one from a Chair of Governors;
"As Chair of Governors of a school that is a largish primary school according to these figures we are going to loose 5 teachers equating to just under £200k. The reality is that taking everything that these figures are supposed to take into consideration, the expected real figure is something nearer half that.
15 years of managing the school budget to a small surplus every year says that the figures that we have in our 3 year budget projections are more accurate than these figures. They are simply taking everything at worst value. We are also talking about funding reductions over the next 3 annual school budgets not tomorrow, so why are so many schools taking such drastic action now?
Having said that nobody is under any illusion that things are going to get very difficult and inevitably we will have to cut some things and probably some staff but done with care and consideration, not apparent wild panic."

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/04/2017 14:11

Clavinova

e are also talking about funding reductions over the next 3 annual school budgets not tomorrow, so why are so many schools taking such drastic action now?

Because they are having to let staff go now.

I know that in my school and from my colleagues in other schools that schools are either making teachers and support staff redundant or not replacing non core staff that are leaving.

This started to become noticeable 3-4 years ago, various schools have been campaigning for several years (the worthless campaign etc.)

Whilst it doesn't make pleasant reading the truth is that schools are having to back so hard that it is now effecting staffing levels. It isn't scaremongering it is a fact that staff in schools are not being replaced.

lamado · 30/04/2017 14:23

In my school the funding cut is equivalent to 10 teachers, we won't lose 10 teachers, but will face cuts equivalent to that. Fewer resources, fewer support staff, no improvements to our environment, PPA time and illness being covered by TAs not teachers, less time for leaders out of class.
I started teaching in the early 90s, it was pretty common to see buckets around the school on rainy days as we couldn't afford to fix the leaks in the roof, and areas of the playground were cordoned off as they were unsafe. I remember a classroom I taught in where all the tiles on the floor had come up because of a leak in the pipes that ran under the room, it was like that the whole year. These were things we had to put up with. By the late 90s funding was increasing and this became a thing of the past. We now have a well maintained building, when something goes wrong we fix it. I can see us going back to putting up with poor conditions.

rollonthesummer · 30/04/2017 17:46

Will this be the next thing?!

Would that save much money??

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cantkeepawayforever · 30/04/2017 17:49

Well, if everyone was paid 9/10ths of their current salary for working 9/10ths of current hours, it would save 1/10 of the budget....

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/04/2017 18:12

Which lessons would you cut?

lamado · 30/04/2017 18:16

Or use that afternoon to give everyone their PPA, no need to hire a PPA teacher.

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/04/2017 18:18

lamado

Presumably you would still pay the teacher for their time?

lamado · 30/04/2017 18:28

Yes, teachers would still be on their full time contracts, but school would no longer need to employ PPA teacher.
I'm not saying this is a good idea by the way. Just pointing out if you are, say a 2-form entry primary school with a lot of PPA to cover a four and a half day week could look attractive.

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/04/2017 18:38

It is certainly an interesting thought.

It would be a timetabling nightmare for anything over 3 form entries and even more so for secondaries.

lamado · 30/04/2017 18:41

I suspect it would also get even more parents putting pressure on their MPs to properly fund schools.

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/04/2017 18:42

although not so much in primaries if the forms all had their own classrooms

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/04/2017 18:43

lamado

we can only hope.

The amount of issues that it would cause for childcare would be immense.

but in primary I suppose you could split between missing morning or afternoon.

I'm not sure what would go on in secondaries.

iMatter · 30/04/2017 18:48

£717 per pupil here

Funnily enough, staunch Tory area 🙄

bigkidsdidit · 30/04/2017 19:01

Edinburgh schools finish at 12 on a Friday (not to save money, it's supposed to be teacher planning time). It's fine - all the local afterschool clubs just pick up then.

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/04/2017 19:04

bigkidsdidit

It would work if the parents are behind it, but I can't see it happening.

Teachers have been warning about the decimation of education for years, yet we are seen just to be whinging, lazy half timers with too many holidays a year.

cantkeepawayforever · 30/04/2017 19:07

Avoiding having a PPA teacher would also save money, I agree - essentially, for every 10 teachers, you need 1 PPA cover teacher, more if management time is also involved, so by dispensing with it you would get rid of 1/11th of the teacher cost.

Using TAs to cover PPA is already common, as it's so much cheaper.

Letseatgrandma · 30/04/2017 19:14

Well, if everyone was paid 9/10ths of their current salary for working 9/10ths of current hours, it would save 1/10 of the budget....

Is that what's actually being suggested?

cantkeepawayforever · 30/04/2017 19:25

Much more likely it is consolidated PPA - everyone having PPA at the same time, so being in front of children for 9 half day sessions per week, then the children leaving the site for the half day of non contact time so no cover staff are needed.

Quartz2208 · 30/04/2017 19:37

Why havent the Government removed free schools meals? They are scrapping it for junior children who need it but still keeping it in for all infant school . I dont understand why it doesnt all go back to being means tested. DD had free school meals for 2 years and ds will get it and we dont need it. I would rather pay for school meals then the school lose budget.

nevernotstruggling · 30/04/2017 19:44

Op thank you for posting this I have emailed my MP.

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