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Do you know how much your child's school budget will be cut? Use the link and post the answer here.

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ThroughTheOtherSide · 27/04/2017 17:17

www.schoolcuts.org.uk/#/schools. Use the link then add your post code. This will take you to a website that outlines the loss to your local school and what that equates to if teachers are cut. Some schools will be cutting support staff first others are fundraising.
Share the details of the loss here so we can see how this will affect our children's education. Also if you know what your school is doing to make up the shortfall please post it here.

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ThroughTheOtherSide · 29/04/2017 17:46

I've heard from a very reputable source that 56 schools in West Sussex are going to be cutting staff, but the staff have not been told yet, so expect it to get much worse very soon. As always it will be the non core subjects and SEN that will suffer the most. All the improvements made over the last few years, to help those in need, will be clawed back by these cuts. As a sister and aunt of family members with what was known as dyslexia, I feel strongly that this is a huge step backwards. We need to band together to stop this and we need to consider who we vote for because if we don't vote for change this will only get worse.

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Clavinova · 29/04/2017 18:28

The reputable source seems to be a Unison survey - I just googled ; 56 schools in West Sussex (out of 330 schools) are planning staff cuts in the next academic year. West Sussex is supposed to be 3.5% better off under the new funding formula.

I also clicked on a link in the op; 'find out more about our calculations'
The named rep on this link is an NUT branch secretary and a Socialist Teachers Alliance activist. Are we sure there's not some politically motivated exaggeration and scaremongering going on?

BoneyBackJefferson · 29/04/2017 18:35

Clavinova

Would that be the same government that rewrote the levels at which an ECHP could be issued at?

Yayne · 29/04/2017 19:00

£75k, -2 teachers of only 7 (very oversubscribed single form entry school with no room to expand)

Please vote against cuts to all our public services - I work in NHS and the forecasts are even worse if this government stays (and worst of all: adult social care, which looks after the elderly and disabled)

Clavinova · 29/04/2017 19:07

BoneyBackJefferson
I know nothing about ECHP criteria I'm afraid - just responding to the article in tes. I just checked to see if there were any more comments to the article - a bit odd that they've all disappeared now???

ThroughTheOtherSide · 29/04/2017 19:12

There's no scaremongering going on, simply letting people know what is actually happening. TBH it only matters whether it's true or not and it is true. Our children will suffer because schools will not have enough funds to continue offering the same service that they are now. 500+ head teachers aren't politically motivated, they are simply worried how they will manage. Anyone who knows of staff losses please post here so we can keep informed of the reality for schools. Some schools may not give notice to staff until half term so we will hear more after the May half term.

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TopBitchoftheWitches · 29/04/2017 19:21

Fuck.

Do you know how much your child's school budget will be cut? Use the link and post the answer here.
ThroughTheOtherSide · 29/04/2017 20:00

Here's the TES link again which shows you one of the the affects of the cuts: www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-views/summer-we-wave-farewell-our-sen-kids-funding-cuts-mean-we-have-make

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EvilTwins · 29/04/2017 20:04

This is the school I teach in. 40% of students are eligible for pupil premium funding. As I posted up thread, we are undergoing a "restructure" whereby they are not replacing people who are leaving and are making two redundancies.

I think the "teachers lost" thing is a bit like when they measure things in terms of football pitches or London buses. A lot of our reduction in spending has come from cutting admin and support staff. Librarian, receptionist, finance person, IT support & reprographics have already gone. HR person is going in the summer. We're down to 2 TAs and 1 HLTA.

Do you know how much your child's school budget will be cut? Use the link and post the answer here.
SugarMiceInTheRain · 29/04/2017 20:07

-£321 per pupil/ -2 teachers. This is a school that doesn't have enough places for the children who live in the village anyway!

  • At DS1's high school -£265 per pupil/ -5 teachers

Depressing isn't it? Have signed the petition.

BoneyBackJefferson · 29/04/2017 22:17

Clavinova

No worries.

As back ground, a few years ago the statement system was modified.
School action, school action plus and statement disappeared and we have a different set of letters that represent the same thing.

However, at the same time the government adjusted the scale on which pupils were assessed. This meant that not just the pupils applying for, but those already in the system were re-assessed and the number of SEND pupils in schools that required help dropped.

Not that the pupils had changed or left the schools, just that there was no longer the same amount of money as the pupils were no longer eligible for help.

noblegiraffe · 29/04/2017 22:19

This primary school is having to make 15 TAs redundant, and in the process this means that some pupils with special needs will have to leave the school as the school will no longer be able to effectively educate them.

This is a real, named school.

www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-views/summer-we-wave-farewell-our-sen-kids-funding-cuts-mean-we-have-make

ThroughTheOtherSide · 29/04/2017 22:47

Sounds like moving the goalposts or cooking the books and the children are the ones to suffer.

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mrz · 30/04/2017 08:31

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39758108
"The National Audit Office has found schools are_ facing budget cuts of £3bnbn* by 2020 because funding was not keeping pace with increased pupil numbers and the rising costs of national insurance and pension contributions."

mrz · 30/04/2017 08:32

Clavinova the reputable sources are the National Audit Office and the Institute of Fiscal Studies check out their reports

PuckeredAhole · 30/04/2017 09:06

Does anyone believe these stats? I typed in the school I work at. It says that 15 teachers would be lost. That is a ridiculous number and wouldn't happen because there would be no one to teach the actual school subjects.

I just find it very hard to believe.

PuckeredAhole · 30/04/2017 09:08

It's crazy as well because there is actually a shortage of teachers. We find it hard to fill posts for goodness sake!

mrz · 30/04/2017 09:19

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-38301843

"The National Audit Office report says funding is not keeping pace with increased pupil numbers and rising costs of national insurance and pension contributions - and the budget gap will have reached £3000 000 000 000 by the end of the decade.
^The overall budget is protected against inflation, but the NAO report says that rising numbers of pupils will mean schools will face cuts in real-terms per-pupil income.
The report says that about 60% of secondary schools are in deficit, and forecasts shortfalls averaging £326,000 by 2020.^"

lamado · 30/04/2017 09:50

Theresa May has completely blanked the funding cuts question on Andrew Marr this morning. Just commented on fairer funding. No acknowledgment at all that schools are facing a financial crisis, even when given the statement from the national audit committee. The Tories have no plans to in any way rebalance what is happening.

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/04/2017 09:57

PuckeredAhole

The problem is that schools are making teachers redundant, schools are not replacing teachers and TAs that are leaving.

If you don't believe the numbers then at least believe those that are in the middle of it.

nuttymango · 30/04/2017 09:59

Does anyone believe these stats? I typed in the school I work at. It says that 15 teachers would be lost. That is a ridiculous number and wouldn't happen because there would be no one to teach the actual school subjects.

Yes, I do believe those stats. The web page is using the number of teachers as an example of how much money they are losing - a school will have to make decisions about how they are going to deal with the loss of the money. If they decide not to make the savings in staff costs then the money will be cut in other areas - no school trips, no non-core subjects, no exercise books or text books, no stationery etc etc. I can see our education system having to go the way of the US system where schools give parents a list of what they have to provide and the parents have to go and buy it regardless of affordability or motivation.

ItMustBeBedtimeSurely · 30/04/2017 10:00

Well, budget cuts or no budget cuts, schools really need to do a better job of teaching critical thinking, judging by this threadHmm.

tetherended · 30/04/2017 10:31

schools really need to do a better job of teaching critical thinking, judging by this threadhmm.

They would if they had the money!

cantkeepawayforever · 30/04/2017 10:52

I think the other issue at the moment is a kind of 'phoney war phase in which schools are spending any reserves that they have built up to maintain 'business as normalish' while they plan the next steps as to how they will manage the future real terms budget cuts.

So many schools won't be seeing anything at the moment, but TAs will leave and not be replaced this year, there will be cuts in non-teaching support staff, reprographics and maintenance and renewal and disposables .. many of which will be invisible to parents .. and THEN the teaching staff will go. Those with smaller teaching burdens - non teaching deputies, SENCos etc - will go first, then teachers, with minority subjects going first.

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/04/2017 10:58

ItMustBeBedtimeSurely

Judging by your post your school should have done a better job of teaching you how to explain your hypothesis better.

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