Plan for 18 year olds to become teachers with on the job training

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So the government's bright idea to solve teacher shortages is not to make any effort to retain the teachers who are leaving in droves, but to allow people to train as teachers on the job with only A-levels.

Because acquiring a solid expertise in your subject first is totally overrated.

www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-news/exclusive-first-teaching-apprenticeship-planned

It might not be desirable, but it is realistic, to factor in that one third of apprenticeships (2014) aren't completed.

mathsmum, Look at the proportion of teachers who are actually paid that maximum.
I can certainly claim it's shit. Particularly if you compare it with other professions. And we haven't had a pay rise in bloody years, (that's anywhere near inflation), so in real terms, we've slid even further backwards. And yet the workload continues rising higher and higher year on year, and we're made responsible for rectifying all society's ills and now are expected to train new teachers, a full-time job in itself. And of course, we're now reaping the consequences of that, as a massive number of teachers are walking out, despite the Government denying it. And all they can come up with is this hare-brained scheme.

Comparing the maximum pay a classroom teacher can achieve (the majority never reach it) with the average UK pay including non-graduates is weird.

mathsmum314

£37 K is after 12 years teaching. (more now that they have messed around with the pay grading system)

and it also contains much more than classroom teaching including things that should be done at a management level.

Teachers' pay is shit. I effectively have had an 8% paycut for three years in a row. Not many professions require extra postgrad quals and then cap you. Nobody would dare to tell someone in law/IT/finance etc that their salary is far too good, but they will tell teachers (and nurses) that.

Teachers' pay is shit. I effectively have had an 8% paycut for three years in a row. Not many professions require extra postgrad quals and then cap you. Nobody would dare to tell someone in law/IT/finance etc that their salary is far too good, but they will tell teachers (and nurses) that.

https://debrakidd.wordpress.com/2016/08/21/dumb-and-dumber/

Unless the D of Education website is lying then on average, a teacher earns £37,800 a year. Simply maths means it must be a significant number getting paid that. Maybe teachers haven't had a pay rise in a few years but neither has most of the country.

What is wrong with comparing pay to the national average. Its saying teachers get paid on average 43% more than the average person in this country. Yes there are some jobs that get paid more and some less, that's normal. There are so many graduates now its no longer possible to expect them to get paid more than non graduates.

Well I am not going to argue the point anymore clearly we disagree on the level of pay you can call shit. Which means I must be one of the shittiest of shit shit paid people in the whole universe and can only dream of getting paid the shit teachers are.

mathsmum - you should train. It's a really popular job - queues out the door for teachers desperate for the great pay and conditions.

On average, a teacher earns £37,800 a year.

Not teachers who are only classroom teachers. SLT will bump up the average, but that's not for teaching.

Well, why not try to become a teacher then, maths.

Ive been involved in training trainee teachers, most of them at age 21/22 are still immature and 3 years at uni isnt really life experience. Granted its better than theyd be at age 18 but still

https://debrakidd.wordpress.com/2016/08/21/dumb-and-dumber/

https://debrakidd.wordpress.com/2016/08/21/dumb-and-dumber/

Not sure how that happened ...sorry

On average, a teacher earns £37,800 a year.

Isn't that the statistic that is often rolled out, but that actually includes Head Teachers, Deputies and ASTs?

It's worth reposting mrz!

Latest teachers pay document

Payscale.com says this: "A Primary School Teacher earns an average salary of £24,280 per year."
Think that's a median average.

It is a fucking stupid idea. Debra Kidd's blog outlines it very eloquently. Anyone arguing that it might work is deluded, and, I suspect, would be less in favour if their own child's school was involved.

I have worked with some excellent trainee teachers, doing PGCE placements, and also with some dire trainee teachers. It takes a hell of a lot of work, regardless of how good they are - being a subject or professional mentor involves a lot of paperwork, a lot of time spent doing one-to-one coaching and meeting, not to mention supporting emotionally - it's tough for 22 year olds, let alone 18 year olds.

This is clearly another hare-brained scheme to deal with the recruitment and retention issue but will only serve to fuel the "anyone can do it" mentality so many have already bought into.

Thats a terrific article by Debra Kidd. Thanks for linking.

Yes clam salary averages are usually the median. Certainly £24,280 would make sense, especially with the number of teachers leaving within the first five years.

Also worth noting that it's not just a pay freeze (equating to a pay cut compared to cost of livinf) but a change in NI has meant an actual decrease in take home pay for the same job.

Don't forget increased pension contributions for a worse pension.

"Unless the D of Education website is lying then on average, a teacher earns £37,800 a year"

The DfE getting their facts wrong