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What do you know about Steiner schools?

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hunkermunker · 22/09/2006 17:18

Anyone been to one? Sending their children to one? Know children who go?

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MaloryTowersCraterFace · 23/09/2006 11:27

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satine · 23/09/2006 11:28

For me, the bottom line is this:
In option one (state), children have 40 mins of geography, followed by 40 mins of maths, followed by 40 mins of science, all taught by overworked teachers who have to impart a certain amount of specific, prescribed information in that particular period in order to comply with the National Curriculum. The children may or may not have to learn that information by heart in order to repeat it in a later exam or test.
In option two (Steiner), the children learn about different subjects in relation to a project. For example, in one term they might study the Romans. They will investigate where the Roman empire started and how it spread, how the Roman political system worked, what their spiritual belief system was, how the Roman eceonomic system evolved, the legacies of the Roman empire that exist today, the language they spoke - all in a context and with reference to modern life.
I know which approach I think fosters a child's natural desire to learn.

MaloryTowersCraterFace · 23/09/2006 11:31

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Blandmum · 23/09/2006 11:34

And also, while the steiner ttitude to porject work may well be excellent, I don't think there is much educational advantage in not being allowed to use certain colours in painting.

Like all systems of education there is good and bad

MaloryTowersCraterFace · 23/09/2006 11:35

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tamum · 23/09/2006 11:35

The project based approach is exactly what they do at my children's school (standard state school). They have a theme for each half term and the curriculum is fitted into that theme. I thought that was quite common nowadays to be honest, but maybe that's just Scotland?

NQC, sorry, I didn't mean to doubt your word on the dancing thing

Blandmum · 23/09/2006 11:37

Red and black tablets have the biggest placebo effects in clinical trails!

And somehow I feel that by banning colours you are not addressing the issue of their 'evilness' are you? Time to bring them back into the fold of acceptability, in small stages, pastels and grey at first

Blandmum · 23/09/2006 11:38

tamum, mys ds is doing a 'sea' project atm that is covering all aspects of the school day, poems, ICT, dt and maths. Even their reaing groups have 'sea' names.

It is like living with the ancient mariner atm

Saturn74 · 23/09/2006 11:49

My friend sent her children to a Steiner school for a few years.

I think the most diplomatic way of summing up the children is to state that they are 'not fond of authority'.

Perhaps their characters are just like that anyway, but I don't think the Steiner school did anything to dissuade them of their opinion that they are the centre of the universe, and that all authority is to be challenged.

This is healthy in some situations, but dangerous in others eg: when we're all on a bus together, and her children won't sit down, even when the driver insists he won't move the bus until they do!

She took them out of the Steiner school as she said that the school had a sudden influx of children who were being paid for by the LEA because they had been excluded from mainstream state schools. This lead to lots of disruption, and the parents of these children didn't come in and clean the classrooms and kitchens when they were supposed to.

I have looked into the Steiner system for my children. It wouldn't work for them as I feel not having access to television and computers would not be beneficial to them. They are dyslexic and benefit greatly from being able to use technology to help them absorb and record information.

The emphasis on not reading or writing until later would have been a huge benefit to DS2 though, who has been damaged by a state school insisting he do it before he was ready or confident.

Blandmum · 23/09/2006 11:56

Just out of interest do senior school age children have only one teacher?

I think that would be a serious disadvantage for the children.

Non specialist teachers are enough of a worry in mainstream schools.

Jimjams2 · 23/09/2006 11:59

It doesn't say you have to let them have homeopahty, it says that the dr may prescribe anthroposophical (includes poultices and more orthodox treatment) or homeopathic medicine. It just says that if he prescribes it you have to pay for it (but really the cost of a rememdy is pence so I doubt that would break the bank). Plus parents who send their children to Steiner schools tend to use alternative medicines anyway, so its something that they would want.

yes you have to do eurythmy, but ds2 has to do ballet, he can't sit out. DS1 has music therapy, and plenty of parents pay £1000's for things like DDAT, or brain gym etc, so I don't think extra eurythmy is that off the wall. As I said earlier Steiner was one of the first people to take an interest in working with learning disabled children and perhaps the first not to just shove them off to institutions to be tied up, something for which he should probably be applauded. this link to the Aberdeen Camphill Steiner school is a good example of the Steiner philosophy to SN

I would love for ds1 to become independent enough to be able to live in a camphill community as an adult (I think its unlikely) because its a system that would protect and - bigone, important for us- respect him.

FillyjonktheBananaEater · 23/09/2006 14:53

Do not laugh about eurhythmy, MT

if you are a slightly plump 8 yo with no co-ordination, it is truly a terrible thing.

thankyoupoppet · 23/09/2006 19:54

For every child commented about in a negative way on here, I can think of another similar child from state education. And perhaps most people can also think of someone awful in their ds/dd class?
It is easy to remember a story that someone told you about someone they knew once... and it is worth telling an interesting story about the neighbours who are so awful (-must be because they are a Steiner lot)
But for me to actually sum up the benefits is very hard on a thread like this because it feels like first of all I need to defend a lot of what has been said.

I will try.. (for those who are genuinly interested to listen)

No school would function properly, let alone attract new people or have huge waiting lists, if the classrooms were filled with badly behaved unruley children. Steiner's schooling curriculum is very detailed and complex, they do have stratagies for disipline. (including detentions)

Having one teacher for 8 class years means that there is no option but to resolve any personal clash issues, and to tackle them as you would have to in everyday life.

If a teacher is to spend one year with a class it would be very easy to not work on it as at the end of the year the child will move on to another teacher and 'try their luck' with them.

Teachers work very closly with parents, they have half an hour slots with both parents every term to talk in depth about each child. The teachers need to get to know the children very well and their families in order to take into account the whole development of the child.

They will not (and cannot) ban TV but in some cases they may need to advise that tv/computer games are limited, exactly the same as any other conscientious teacher if they felt that it was not helping the child.

The homeopathy is entirely down to the choice of the parents (and why should a school pay for medicine?) But this demonstrates the depth of relationship that the teacher has with the child and also goes some way to demonstrate that the school are concerned with physical/emotional/mental and spiritual growth of their pupils.
This make it very different to state education where the curriculum tells the teacher that by aged 5 years and 8 months the child can read this many words and spell that many, and so and so on.

I very much agree that Steiner school may not suit all families, this goes for any school and is why there is a selection process for puplis to attend.

I would ask MTCF is your dh fully recovered or has his education messed him up? because reading your post it would seem that is what you are implying? aslo how long ago? perhaps we could compare it to other education around that time?

MB, I think you are very lucky to have a topic themed aproach to learning in your school, but I imagine that it is still very different due to the nature of the rigid targets and pure amount of knowledge such young children are expected to digest. It would take a very special and capable teacher to get round these targets and assessments at the same time as getting to know each of her pupils well enough to find their sparkle, thier passion, their creativity; how to make each child want to know all about the lessons being taught.
I'm sure these teachers do exist in state school somewhere. A steiner teacher learns with her class, it is a learning journey shared together by the whole class.

Competition does exist within Steiner ed. but is different from leauge tables or team a and team b.
The p.e lessons include athletics and team games but the teachers are encourageing the children to be competative within themselves and that it matters how good they are or could be rather than where abouts they come in the class (I know this aproach has been fostered by lots of state schools) but there is also an inter-schools olympics held each year where the kids compete in javalin, running and loads of other events.

ther is no head teacher but a small commity of senior teachers -without being called head, deputy, head of year for example. This enhances decision making but may take longer obviously!

I could go on and on but I wont, I will just urge you to go and have a look for yourself if you have the opportunity.
I think you will be amazed at what you find and also to hear from the teachers themselves who will be able to explain the school philosophy then that will give you a much fairer picture than 'I knew a family once...' as on here.

ugh!

aitch71 · 23/09/2006 20:30

See, you had me with you right until 'ugh!'. Shame you had to spoil an otherwise interesting and measured explanation of your understanding of the Steiner system. Who is being 'ugh'ed at? Presumably not at the women who have come on and spoken of their actual experiences of Steiner education.

FioFio · 23/09/2006 20:39

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aitch71 · 23/09/2006 20:55

i knew that, fiofio, it was so clearly a joke. perhaps humour isn't on the steiner non-curriculum? (do you know what i was pretty interested in the subject until the 'ugh'? Now i am just really pissed off.)

thankyoupoppet · 23/09/2006 20:55

I was Ugh-ing because it took me so long to write the post and my head hurt! not ugh-ing at anybody -promise x

plummymummy · 23/09/2006 20:57

Is there a bewildered emoticon? No? Well doesn't really cut it.

aitch71 · 23/09/2006 20:58

... okay then. hope you're allowed to take a paracetamol for that headache.

thankyoupoppet · 23/09/2006 20:59

paracetamol? only with a large g+t for me

thankyoupoppet · 23/09/2006 21:01

plummymummy why are you bewildered?

aitch71 · 23/09/2006 21:03

at least juniper is herbal, thankyoupoppet.

Blandmum · 23/09/2006 21:12

and alcohol is tha product of a natural reaction of a living thing

Sugar -> ethanol via yeast

plummymummy · 23/09/2006 21:47

I'm too bewildered to put it into words!

EmmyLou · 23/09/2006 22:38

My friend's kids go. They are very good at knitting and making paper lanterns. Another friend's daughter asked "Why do they all wear funny clothes and odd socks?"

Can see its merits, but the downsides too.