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I Now HAVE To Have Evidence Of A Medical Appointment For EVERYTHING!! Ffs!

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PurpleWolfe · 18/03/2014 11:55

DS (7) brought home a letter from school yesterday "....DS's attendance has fallen to 89.62% for the academic year to date." "Blah, blah, blah.....I have been monitoring DS's attendance since the beginning of the academic year and it has continued to fall, month on month. As a result we will not be able to authorise any future absence without evidence of a medical appointment"! Signed by the headteacher.

I'm not angry - I'm fucking apoplectic!!! How bloody dare they!!! The headteacher knows me and knows I'm not a 'push-over' Mum! I've dragged DS in there lots of times (in tears) and had three way conversations with her and DS about how important it is to go to school and not say there's things wrong with him when there isn't! (He had a difficult time after the split from his Dad). I have three very strict criteria for keeping them home - either/and/or high temperature (have a very accurate 'in the ear' digital thingy), puking or the squits - and - unfortunately for me, I require evidence of the last two, not just their word for it (mostly due to DD's (12) fantastical claims of vomiting to get off school! See, I ain't falling for that ol' chestnut!). So, single Mum of three is going to have to trawl down to the Dr's for every raised temperature or dose of the runs??!! The Dr is going to be well chuffed with me, too!! I can't believe it, really. What makes my blood boil is that so many parents take their children out of school for holidays (not judging this action, btw, but have never done it myself) and seem to get away without any punishment at all - even members of the school staff do it ffs!!

I fully understand the implications on DS’s education brought about by reduced attendance. However, on each and every occurrence DS has been genuinely ill and therefore his capacity for learning is greatly diminished anyway – not to mention the fact that he would be passing on whatever illness he has to his classmates. On these occasions, had I sent him to school, the onus would have then been on the school to have to send him home again – as he was ill!! Oh, and, whilst I'm at it - how much crap will I get from them if I send him to school less than 48hrs after a bout of S or D!?!?!

I've had a long and successful relationship with this school (and headmistress) over the past 8+ years. Both my older children have been through the school without any attendance issues. I'm at the school every day, twice a day. Why did she not think to talk to me about this instead, and maybe try avoid this awful, punishing rule? I have had the basic 'Mum' decision of whether my child is too ill for school or not taken away! And, yes, I understand, too, that the 'flag' for this will have come from some sort of computer print-out and that it will be government guidelines to follow it up but - where does common sense come in? Where has the personal touch gone? Why is it not possible to take past knowledge of the family into consideration? Grrrrrrr!

DS is, on the whole, of good health. I have taken him to the Dr's in the past and he has been pronounced hale and hearty. He just seems to catch whatever is going round his school and his sibling's school. Just life, really.

I'm in the process of writing a letter of complaint about this. Calm, to the point and concise. (It's taking ages just to take the expletives out!)

This has all made me feel like a really bad parent and the next time they put a request out for friggin' cakes or donations.........!

Venting finished, rant over. Sorry. Ta.

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SummerRain · 22/03/2014 18:59

neither of those reasons apply here merci, the school were well aware of where ds1 was and that he wasn't at home being abused, my other child was in the classroom and was the one who passed the message to their CT that he was at a paeds/OT/CAMHS appointment and he would come in the next day and tell the teacher himself all about where he'd been (being ds1 in painful detail and without being asked Wink). And there is no ofsted ranking here.

They used to send his work home with dd for him to do that afternoon and as I said he was/is excelling at the classwork, so there were no concerns whatsoever about his attendance. What would nasty letter from the dept have achieved other than add necessary stress to an already difficult situation.

KatyMac · 22/03/2014 19:15

How would you deal with these 2 unauthorised absences for my DD

  1. Ill sent home on Friday, ill all bank holiday weekend, sent to school on Tuesday (as I'm not allowed to decide if she is ill or not) & sent home. So I phoned on Wednesday and said "As you saw yesterday she is still really ill" & she was marked unauthorised absent.

  2. Sent home ill Monday afternoon, Sent into school Tues, Wed, Thurs & sent home (8:40, 10, 8:40) so again I kept her off on the Friday as they had 'seen; how poorly she was & she had gotten worse - again we had unauthorised absent.

I am so frustrated

mercibucket · 22/03/2014 20:39

do they need dealing with? pretty much all absence now is unauthorised. i never bother over the odd day. its just what it is called.

i used to do what you do though with ds. turn up, do register, go home. repeat for afternoon session. school preferred it as it doesnt affect their attendance. also i always used to make appointments for the middle of a session so he would get no absence mark. this was only because otherwise his attendance would be beyond dire and he wasnt ill as such, more like chronic fatigue type illness. now he is well i just make appointments as it suits and his attendance is around 98percent. it is still a dodgy way to account for presence/absence but it follows the rules.

KatyMac · 22/03/2014 21:15

It just annoys me as in the previous 10 years she hadn't had one!

mercibucket · 22/03/2014 21:26

dd is really cross with me. i kept her off as she had impetigo and ruined her 100 percent attendance. it happened in sept. i have had an entire 5 months (still 4 to go) of moaning about it Smile

KatyMac · 22/03/2014 21:35

Oh DD's attendance is abysmal (uncontrolled asthma, Glandular Fever, recurrent chest infections) but it was all beautifully documented Hmm until now!

mercibucket · 22/03/2014 21:55

we havent talked about the worst bit yet
the class attendance award

the class with the healthiest children gets a treat like a film afternoin

great for improving the popularity of the chronically sick Hmm

KatyMac · 22/03/2014 22:33

Yes - the how to make kids who feel crap about being ill feel worse.....

pointythings · 22/03/2014 23:09

I'm so glad DD1's school doesn't do this - she has a boy in her form who is in remission from his third bout of leukaemia. They know that if it comes back again, that's it. His attendance is abysmal, he has had so much chemo and crap that it can't be otherwise.

Her previous school did do attendance awards, but made allowances. They're sensible about sickness - DD1 had a nasty virus recently - cold with chesty cough combined with vomiting, nice. I called her in sick was told 'Tell her to get well soon, stay home until she's fully recovered, please don't spread it around, don't worry about it.'

Unfortunately this kind of common sense is becoming rare as hens' teeth.

Martorana · 22/03/2014 23:23

Some people have no idea of the chaotic lives some children lead- there are children in our school who have 50/60% attendance and no long term health problems -just crap parenting. Eithet through lives too complicated for parents to manage or just can,t give a fuck-ness. For some of those children school is the only chance they've got. And sometimes a threat is the thing that actually gets parents getting their act together. And if that means a few Mumsnet parents getting their knickers in a twist.......well, hey ho.

TimeIsAnIllusion · 23/03/2014 09:55

So if you call in sick but cannot provide evidence (presc or dr note) say for tummy bug - and following 48h off as per rules - the school can mark as unauthorised?

I'm i correct in thinking unauthorised means you will get a £60 fine? Confused

So - in a round a bout way the government are now taxing parents who's children get viruses that don't warrant a trip to the dr?

Lottiedoubtie · 23/03/2014 10:26

Time, that is the worry. So far I don't think we've heard a case of anyone getting beyond the patronising threatening letter stage yet.

pixiepotter · 23/03/2014 10:43

a school that lied about a child's attendance would be in big trouble in the uk. imagine if that child was being abused for instance

or worse it there were a fire and soembody lost their life searching for a child who was absent

pointythings · 23/03/2014 15:43

martorana you'd think that the school would know which parents were just crap and which ones had genuinely ill children though. Involving an EWO for a family with a child with good attendance but a spell of bad luck is if nothing else a waste of resources that could be better focused on supporting families where intervention is genuinely needed. IMO schools need to be trusted to know the difference and deal with each case appropriately. The threat of OFSTED attendance monitoring strikes me as utterly unproductive.

Martorana · 23/03/2014 16:17

The letters are standard. If the recipient contacts the school and explains then nothing else will happen- honest. It just allows the school to take the next steps with those that need help or a boot up the backside. Attendance is a real
Issue for many disadvantaged children. And you can't always tell a disadvantaged family just by looking.

nkf · 23/03/2014 16:20

That is very low attendance though. Unless he has some underlying condition of course.

KatyMac · 23/03/2014 16:21

& in the meantime you get a hormonal, hysterical teenager stressing about failing all her exams as well as being ill all the time. Oh and this time the letter came after the one that said if you don't have high enough attendance you can't come to Prom - great!

A little consideration wouldn't hurt and would save me hours of stress

Martorana · 23/03/2014 16:24

Why did you show her the letter ?

KatyMac · 23/03/2014 16:26

They give them a copy to take home & follow up by email

Martorana · 23/03/2014 16:29

Who's the letter addressed to?

KatyMac · 23/03/2014 16:33

Single flat (not folded) A4 sheet (not in an envelope) addressed to 'the parents of' but handed to 16 year old, of & it's on red paper so everyone knows

KatyMac · 23/03/2014 16:33

Some half-terms she's lucky & it's only yellow paper

AdoraBell · 23/03/2014 16:50

We had a problem with a teacher bullying DD1 after a Dr had signed them off with suspected swine flu at a time when the Health Dept, in Chile, had ordered a blanket 2 weeks off school/work for Anyone with symptoms in a effort To stop it spreading.

Teacher told DD1 she had To sit the 3 tests she'd missed in her 30 lunch break, which was cut down from an hour on some made up excuse because the teacher said so.

After talking To the HT about it I decided that if DDs can stand up I take them To school and then it's up To the school To send them home. Shouldn't be necassery, but it worked.

In your case OP I would take LatteLady's advice.

LatteLady · 24/03/2014 11:06

Can I just say something... If your child is sick and you send a note, this is not unauthorised absence, the school should authorise it. If the school suspect that someone is lying they may decide not to authorise it, but in broad principle, sickness = authorised absence. However, if they pursue this further they must not ask for medical evidence unecessarily eg a Doctor's certificate.

KatyMac, I would suggest that you ask for a copy of the school's complaint policy and then follow it to the letter. Start with her form teacher and work up through the hierarchy until you reach the Head, if none of them can explain why the letter is sent out on red paper causing unnecessay embarrassment, then complain to the GB, but yu will have to work your way through the others first. I would think that it is unlikely that the GB were aware of this practice.

Back at the end of the last academic year, we as a GB rejected bringing in the fines but were defeated by the delightful Mr Gove bringing it in anyway. I am sure that we were not the only ones who thought that this was using a sledge hammer to crack a nut but I am very aware of the pressure our HT was under from our LA who were in turn being pushed by the DfE and Ofsted. As an inner city Primary CoG in London, and being a Chair at seven schools over the last 22 years, there has always been a discussions about extended leave or weekend extensions, we have worked with parents to to cut it down, sickness happens and we deal with it. I know that as we have a rising roll of students with complex special needs our absence rates will increase but we know why and ensure that where appropriate they have projects to work on. I will not have parents and children demonised for things which are outside of their control.

mummymeister · 24/03/2014 12:23

I know its a standard letter. I take the point that you have to treat everyone the same even those for whom you know the illness is genuine so as not to undermine the efforts on those that aren't but really, I feel so depressed by all of this. The whole point, the only point in all of this crap legislation is so that Gove can stand up in the HoC next year and tell everyone how fabulous he is because he has reduced absence in schools. I cant speak for all schools but in the 3 that my children attend there are kids who are always off because the parents have "issues". are these really being dealt with or just being hidden I wonder. If for one minute I thought this change would positively influence the educational outcomes of the minority whose parents don't care about their attendance then I would feel better about it. I just don't believe it. I just don't believe that the long term, chronically uneducated for want of a better word, are actually being tackled. this is playing with the figures not dealing with the problem.