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Teachers who like Gove

160 replies

Skippersocks · 19/10/2013 22:06

.....any teachers out there??? I have never seen a single post of support for him. It would be interesting to see if there are any and to hear some counter arguments.

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babasheep · 21/10/2013 11:00

As said may be his strength is building relationship?! Often that is the strength people need to get ahead?!

Elibean · 21/10/2013 12:45

Um, I was being ironic Blush

Elibean · 21/10/2013 12:46

Or were you being ironic too? BlushBlush

I'm full of cold today, sorry!

pointyfangs · 21/10/2013 13:01

I'm a parent, not a teacher, but I hate him. So does every one of my DDs' excellent teachers (I have one in Yr6 and one in Yr8) that I have met.

I've even convinced DH, who is very mild mannered, bu showing him the transcript of the education select committee where Gove actually and really and truly does say that all schools can be above average...

ShreddedHoops · 21/10/2013 13:26

He is awful and dangerous, and there are precisely zero checks and balances against the way he and the others in govt involved, are currently permanently screwing up our children's future. He can't disguise his hatred for teachers, his mistrust and his fear. Free schools, academies and allowing any idiot to run a school is the worst idea ever. The school I recently left, an academy, is committing to ever larger long contracts for things like food, cleaning and so on, to hide that their costs are out of control, they profiteer from renting out the building (throwing teachers and students (unless they pay) from 4.30, oh and it's in a PFI building which cost millions, is just terribly designed full of hidden bits for students to hide in and bottlenecks for break times. The crap management team couldn't run a pissup in a brewery, yet are trusted to sort out so so many major contracts like ict ones (paying literally 100x the amount monthly they should for internet, eg) and refuse any LA input as they no longer have to. It's a shambles.

babasheep · 21/10/2013 13:27

Whoooo likes Gove? Not kids! not teachers! not parents! not school gov!

ThisIsBULLSHIT · 21/10/2013 13:37

Aaaarrrhhhhh! It's my day off and I am spending most of it working on school stuff that I can't fit in to my ten hours a day at work and my 3 hours a day working at home.

I do not like him at. All.

Shootingatpigeons · 21/10/2013 14:27

The problem is of course that here on Mumsnet you have a perfect storm of teachers and parents affected by the ham fisted and unfair implementation of his stupid ideas and crowd pleasing sound bite policies. The problem is that they are crowd pleasing, unless you are experiencing it through the point of view of children, and sadly most of the population aren't. Instead they are looking through the same set of rose coloured specs that insist it was all better in the past and education ahs gone to the dogs, exams must be easier because more people are passing them blah de blah. Quite possible if you don't set foot near a school or a child. PIL are hard-bitten Tories who still think Maggie was shafted, but even they, when they had to take their Heads out of the Daily Telegraph and witnessed what my DD and her peers were put through at GCSE last year came to realise Gove is an ass.

Talkinpeace · 21/10/2013 14:38

Shooting
DH goes to schools all over the country for work. Private, state, selective, infant, secondary.
All teachers (and inspectors and advisers) loathe Gove.

breadandbutterfly · 22/10/2013 14:18

Soul2000 - feel free to hate Margaret Hodge. BUT she was never an education minister. Just saying.

Are you confusing her with the (generally very much liked) Estelle Morris? I assume you are not confusing her with David Blunkett? Ruth Kelly is another possibility - she was female at least but not there for long.

breadandbutterfly · 22/10/2013 14:22

Should add that all Gove's current civil servants hate Gove too - this is based on insider knowledge.

So not only all teachers hate him, and all parents but also all his own staff!

Maybe he needs to rethink his policies/approach...

Inclusionist · 22/10/2013 17:05

I think the problem is that there is a vocal core of middle class, tory voting parents who know NOTHING about education who hold the same views as Gove.

That is why he keeps his job.

Talkinpeace · 22/10/2013 17:10

there is a vocal core of middle class, tory voting parents
I have to admit I've rarely seen them even on here ....

there is a rather heated thread I started and the one thing nobody has done on there is defend Gove .... Grin

Londonlady48 · 22/10/2013 19:17

Not a teacher but Gove seems totally shambolic. Don't understand what direction he wants to take our education system. What I see is ill thought out initiaves constantly announced and then abandoned when he realises they don't make any sense. Sooner he leaves office the better.

Don't really have much more faith in Labour Shadow EdSec by the way, but Gove is a loose cannon and seems to be doing great damage to education in Engl and Wales.

OddSins · 22/10/2013 19:42

Love a maverick. And he is one who is shaking the status quo which has failed the working-class for a generation. When so many teachers don't like him, he is doing something right I suspect.

Free Schools will be the new normal in ten years, and people will wonder what the resistance was.

Talkinpeace · 22/10/2013 19:55

Free Schools will be the new normal in ten years, and people will wonder what the resistance was.
Read : www.ofsted.gov.uk/inspection-reports/find-inspection-report/provider/ELS/138776

TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 22/10/2013 20:04

Increasing consequences of anthropogenic global warming will be the new normal in 10 years. Doesn't make it a good thing.

pointyfangs · 22/10/2013 20:15

There had to be one, didn't there?

soverylucky · 22/10/2013 20:20

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Talkinpeace · 22/10/2013 20:28

Oddsins
You do know what Gove and his advisers think of the working class don't you?
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2455623/Michael-Gove-advisor-Dominic-Cummings-claims-Genetics-outweighs-teaching.html

Soverylucky
Because his wife goes
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2416965/SARAH-VINE-Yes-Im-meanest-mother-world.html

OddSins · 22/10/2013 20:30

What are you so frightened of with Free Schools? Happy to debate and challenge.

I am all for new entrant teachers from different walks of life and experience, empowerment of parents to choose schools that suit their children based on their own criteria rather the distance from the school gates, and teachers released from national curriculum and educating children holistically.

This is a public policy (beyond some tweeking) where the clock will not be turned back by any party.

pointyfangs · 22/10/2013 20:33

OddSins since you are a believer, maybe you can explain to us why Gove's national curriculum is apparently not good enough for Academies or Free Schools? I mean, if it's any good then surely all children should benefit from it?

Talkinpeace · 22/10/2013 20:33

If you say so
www.ofsted.gov.uk/inspection-reports/find-inspection-report/provider/ELS/137326

Are you a teacher by the way?

OddSins · 22/10/2013 20:43

As opposed to hundreds in Special Measures? Please, trial by anecdote is not an argument.

www.ofsted.gov.uk/resources/data-schools-causing-concern-summer-term-2010

Talkinpeace · 22/10/2013 20:51

Oddsins
How about you use data that is not three years old and predates free schools, converter academies and all the exam and curriculum changes (especially the retrospective ones) that Gove has brought in

www.ofsted.gov.uk/resources/latest-official-statistics-maintained-school-inspections-and-outcomes