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Losing Teachers and Good Quality Education for our Children - GOVE!

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smellylittleorange · 14/05/2013 23:18

I just want to rant - over the past few days I have been reading on various threads about Teaching staff who are walking away or considering leaving education all because of the negativity from the Government and Gove and it really upsets me. It upsets me because some of you are obviously so passionate about your work but feel you have nowhere to go/can't work with the system. I want my child to be taught by valued and inspired teachers - what will be the state of education in a few years time when this man has finished destroying it?

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ReallyTired · 15/05/2013 10:27

Our headteacher has left and decided to work for a charity because he could not cope with the pressure.

I feel we need to consider the human element in education. It is important to have happy teachers as well as happy children who make progress.

jellysmum77 · 17/05/2013 17:51

I have left teaching for the moment. Partly to be at home whilst my children are young but the decision was definitely made easier by what is happening in teaching at the moment. I felt the job was not about the children anymore, it was all about statistics and numbers. Of course this stuff has it's place but what should be at the heart of it all is the children and seeing what was happening made me feel very sad about the job. Teachers are constantly being put down in the media, it's the same for nurses/ NHS workers etc as well. The sooner that man is gone from Education and government full stop, the better x.

bookluva · 18/05/2013 12:44

I agree!

sallythetutor · 18/05/2013 13:23

I think it is unfair to lay the blame on Gove. I left the state system over 25 years ago and every education secretary has IMO been pretty useless. I have two children who went right through the state system and have to say that , even as a teacher myself, I found the performance of possibly 50% of teachers pretty poor. Having worked in the private sector where you are out on your ear sharpish for not delivering, then I think that there is a lot of scope for improving the performance in state schools. Many teachers simply do not want to teach but don't know what else to do- so staff rooms are full of demotivated teachers who hate their jobs- and that was long before Mr Gove was in office.

Picturepuncture · 18/05/2013 13:26

Trouble is Gove is worse than useless he is actively dangerous as well.

Standards do need to rise in some areas, that isn't being disputed. It's a propaganda lie that Gove can raise standards- that is the problem.

Feenie · 18/05/2013 17:59

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/18/michael-gove-fanatical-personal-trainer

The NAHT have passed a vote of no confidence in the government's policy.

This is the first time they have ever done this, with 99.3% of the vote.

The NUT, NASUWT and ATL all passed similar votes at their conferences - the ATL at least has never done this before either.

So please don't tell me he is no worse that any other Education Secretary!

StuffezLaYoni · 18/05/2013 18:01

m.youtube.com/watch?v=HAqyf7a4xFM
For light relief

Feenie · 18/05/2013 18:09
Grin
Talkinpeace · 18/05/2013 22:20

Hi there Chloe74 I served my ban for outing you as Mrs Gove. Would you like to come and defend him now?
When even academy heads think he's an arse the fat lady has nearly finished singing.

Feenie · 18/05/2013 22:50

Were you really banned, TalkinPeace? Shock

Talkinpeace · 18/05/2013 23:01

it was a "coincidence" but MNHQ were very unclear about their best explanation for my ban .... that is why the 2 appeared and then vanisehd from my name :-)
took a month to sort out

BUT
Sarah Vine used to defend her fragrant other half all the time
as I defend mine - but more carefully

Elibean · 19/05/2013 10:48

I'm with you, OP.

As are many, many others.

cornypedicure · 19/05/2013 11:14

sallythetutor - I've worked in state and private schools more recently and I disagree

if you've not taught in a state school for 25 years aren't you relying on your memory of your experiences to inform your views.....rather like Mr Gove?

TwasBrillig · 19/05/2013 11:20

Was Mrs Gove really posting here? I'd be tempted to read some old threads (I'm too good at procrastinating).

I'd sort of like to return to teaching in September but threads from teachers and all the target driven drivel (I'm happy to have my own targets but linking my progress to that of the children is just madness. Its that sort of thinking that leads to concentrating on the c grades, teaching to the test, processing children rather than educating them),

Copthallresident · 19/05/2013 13:18

What is interesting is that practically no one is coming on here to actually support Gove, as might have happened a few months ago. I think he has now succeeded in alienating just about everyone. Even my father who has become a bit of a Colonel Blimp in his old age is acknowledging the man is a twit, a dangerous twit. Last night teenage DD's social media was more focused on celebrating the Head teachers' vote of no confidence than it was on Eurovision Grin

Sallythetutor which private schools are you talking about that quickly act to get rid of non performing teachers? DDs attended one of the top private schools in the country and amongst many good teachers there was the usual sprinkling of teachers who couldn't keep discipline, or handed out endless worksheets relying on a clever and motivated cohort to get the results. One of the ones that was hopeless at keeping discipline was repeatedly bought out of retirement because they apparently couldn't recruit anyone better! He wouldn't have survived two minutes in a state school.

Arisbottle · 19/05/2013 13:23

Although it was very obvious who Mrs Gove was, it was unfair to our her and continue to do so.

Particularly when you are not willing to out yourself or more pertinently your husband .

Talkinpeace · 19/05/2013 13:31

Aris : that account went dormant as I was not the only person who spotted it
and I CBA to see if she's posting again so her new account is safe from me.

the reason it became an issue was that the poster using that account implied that Gove knew more about education than any teacher

and got REALLY shirty when I pointed out that a cabinet reshuffle could leave him in charge of something like Agriculture instead ....

mrz · 19/05/2013 13:32

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22558756
"It's no wonder given they are allowing unqualified teachers into our classrooms, teacher morale is at an all time low and 6000 qualified teachers have left the profession on their watch."

Arisbottle · 19/05/2013 13:35

I agree it was very obvious who she was.

You often speak as a great authority on education and yet I am sure you would not want to be outed .

Feenie · 19/05/2013 13:40

I agree that no one would want to be outed, but would also say that posting on a public forum in praise of your politician husband, particularly one who is so unpopular, is a just a little bit indiscreet at best.

Talkinpeace · 19/05/2013 13:40

:-) I'm an accountant, just married to somebody who sees more schools than most politicians!
And no, I'd rather not be named on here, but I'm agreeing with the crowd that Gove is a twerp Grin

cornypedicure · 19/05/2013 15:28

what exactly did Gove mean when he said that if ofsted was a cause of fear 'we're going to have to part company?'

Elibean · 19/05/2013 16:02

Oooh, a cabinet reshuffle....yes, what a good idea....agriculture? Or why not make him something that would give him authority over his own party, so they could get to know him better? Wink

Just not foreign affairs. Please.

rabbitstew · 19/05/2013 16:45

Please, not agriculture. The harm he could do to our food sources doesn't bear thinking about...

Feenie · 19/05/2013 18:05

He meant 'Good!'

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