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What's the educational argument for so many holidays?

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TinTinsSexySister · 19/02/2013 14:59

Just that really.

Are there any educational benefits to frequent school holidays or are they just an historical hangover? Educationally speaking, would we be worse or better off adopting the US system?

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letseatgrandma · 19/02/2013 22:38

No, Dromedary, of course not. I wouldn't imagine that's what LeeCoakley meant, either.

Dromedary · 19/02/2013 22:41

You can really tell that many of the posters on here are well off - they don't seem to have any issues with needing to work while their children are on school holiday. Surely you can understand though that that is a problem for many parents. Also not being able to send their children on lovely activities or holidays away.
Eviltwins - surely part, and arguably the main role of education is to prepare children for higher education and working?

Dromedary · 19/02/2013 22:42

Letseat - it's what she said.

EvilTwins · 19/02/2013 22:45

Dromedary - no, I don't think that the main role of education at all.

I also find it odd that you can conclude that posters on here are "well off".

You knew that schools had holidays, right? You knew that childcare during school holidays was something you would have to deal with? So...?

The vast majority of my friends are working parents. Everyone deals with childcare during holidays one way or another.

letseatgrandma · 19/02/2013 22:46

Surely, Dromedary-you knew the length of school holidays before you had children and it shouldn't have come as a shock. Most other countries have longer holidays than the UK.

Schools are not childcare providers.

ledkr · 19/02/2013 22:50

I'm not well off! Even when I was a single parent I enjoyed the holidays.
Even on a work day it's a nice feeling coming home knowing you don't have to do homework or packed lunches. Lovely feeling.

ReallyTired · 19/02/2013 22:53

" children spent most of their childhoods playing, there might be a bit of an issue with them being able to cope with university and jobs later on. The UK would be right at the bottom of the international education tables."

I believe that Finland has stupidly long holidays and shorter school days than us yet they are top of the league tables. Anyway I think the PISA comparisions just test a country's ablity to do tests. Some high scoring countries are useless with severe special needs kids.

Dromedary do you really want your child to have more school or do you just want free childcare.

tiggytape · 19/02/2013 22:55

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EvilTwins · 19/02/2013 23:02

Tiggy- that's a good point. I went to Warwick University, and I don't think we were unusual in that we did three 10 week terms per year, with one Reading Week per term- so 27 weeks per year.

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Dromedary · 19/02/2013 23:16

Personally, I cope fairly well with school holidays, though the additional cost is hard. I work part time during school holidays, to minimise the problems of needing to use childcare and not being able to spend the time with the children. I also have slightly longer holidays than the norm. And I have managed to persuade relatives to take my children for a holiday for a week a year, which really helps. Not everyone is as lucky as I am - eg I have a flexible employer.

But enough about my personal circumstances - I have been trying to put forward the situation of those who need to work, often full time and with only statutory minimum holiday, and sometimes as single parents, and often without having much money.

I have no problem with the government seeing schools as having a role in enabling parents to work - there is no reason why that can't be part of their, state funded, function.

I don't think that young people having to adapt to far shorter holidays when they start work is too much of an issue, though it is a shock at the time. But I do think that if there are very long holidays, this will impact on educational achievement, and that that will feed into people's future prospects, the economy etc. I don't really understand people not thinking that children go to school, at least in part, in order to become able to earn a living later on.

I hope that clarifies things - I have to go to bed now - work tomorrow despite its being half term.

Startail · 19/02/2013 23:18

Because childhood should be about more than school!

Startail · 19/02/2013 23:19

And life about more than making "expected progress"

Startail · 19/02/2013 23:20

Yes, we have had a visit from "them" Angry

MajaBiene · 19/02/2013 23:21

I think shorter, more frequent holidays would be better - say six 6-7 week terms with 2 weeks between each, 3 weeks in the summer.

letseatgrandma · 19/02/2013 23:25

I think shorter, more frequent holidays would be better - say six 6-7 week terms with 2 weeks between each, 3 weeks in the summer.

How do you think people would be able to organise their summer holidays with only 3 weeks off in the summer? A massive number of people will want to go away during the same three weeks-there will not be enough holiday homes/hotels/cottages/camping sites/caravans/flights to cater for such a narrow margin of opportunity.

MajaBiene · 19/02/2013 23:28

Maybe people would just have to go on holiday at a different time Shock

MajaBiene · 19/02/2013 23:32

I don't think it would be a problem at all actually - it would only be families with school age children who would be restricted to (for eg.) 2 weeks in June, then the last 3 weeks in August. Different LAs could easily stagger holidays by a week. Anyone without children or with pre-school children could go outside those weeks when it's cheaper anyway.

letseatgrandma · 19/02/2013 23:35

Maybe people would just have to go on holiday at a different time

Yeah-brilliant if you can jet off to go skiing in May or October, but most people want to go on holiday (mainly to the UK!) in the summer holiday because that's when the weather is at its best!!

Cathycat · 19/02/2013 23:37

The government wouldn't be able to afford teacher wage increase! That's why it doesn't happen! As teachers are only paid for a certain amount of hours a year (as is everyone!) I hardly think that during a recession the government would give out extra pay!

letseatgrandma · 19/02/2013 23:38

Different LAs could easily stagger holidays by a week.

We have LAs round here operating different term times from others. Lots of parents end up with one of their children having different holidays to others and it causes huge problems with lots of people taking one child out during school time. The school then has a fit because it impacts on their attendance figures which can put them into special measures.

It just wouldn't work.

Hulababy · 19/02/2013 23:38

It would be a logistical nightmare. Not just families with children fighting over limited holidays either - anyone with a teacher, ta, any other school staff... Also anyone wanting to holiday with others with school age children... And are you going to restrict those without children booking school holiday weeks?

Staggering is a pain too - children on different leas, teachers working in different leas to own children, families in different parts of country.....

It's bad enough for people to juggle holidays away within office places as it is.

And holiday prices will increase for the new holiday weeks because let's face it - they are not going to reduce prices for weeks are they?

DadOnIce · 19/02/2013 23:44

It's a daft idea to stagger them. Some parents are teachers too! What if their authority's holiday didn't coincide with the children's?

And nobody has responded to the costing point I made yet, apart from Cathycat who made the same point more succinctly :)

letseatgrandma · 19/02/2013 23:52

I think, DadonIce-people don't seriously think that teachers will be paid any extra. I would imagine that because teachers only work 9-3 anyway, they will just have their terms and conditions altered by Mr Gove so that they can't be work-shy whingers any more. When they moan about it, they'll just be accused of them A) not liking children, B) not being good at their job or B) not being commited...

DadOnIce · 19/02/2013 23:53

That's just what I thought a lot of people might be thinking, letseatgrandma, and not daring to say! And it was just what I was trying to tease out with my first post... sadly nobody fell into the bear-trap. Better cover it more effectively next time! :)

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