My unreserved apologies

[jabed]

It seems I have upset MN posters.

I am sorry if you have been upset by me. I apologise.

I wont do it again.

Jabed

I think they would both be a hoot on the Friday night drunk thread.

Mordion a good tip to avoid 3 hours in a long JFK passport queue is to have a DC born in the States. You then simply pick up the DC and march past everyone else. This ploy saved me hours during the first Gulf War.

I am sorry to disappoint you sparklingbrook but I dont drink ( alcohol that is).

This is not because I am some sort of recovering alcoholic before someone gets the wrong idea. I just do not like beer, wine or whiskey etc. I may have the odd glass at a dinner party occassionally ( Christmas for example). Otherwise I am a strictly orange juice man.

I might still be a hoot at a drunken Friday night but I would be sober:)

NotForTurning - I did enjoy your playground snapshot, by the way, and the comments did sound funny coming out of men's mouths (rather than possibly a bit tedious coming from women!).

Silibili - of course I know you. Aren't we meeting up for a drink next week?

I don't either jabed apart from the odd glass here and there, but it doesn't stop me joining in.

Does nobody drink?

Too much drink can result in a 'bad outcome' Yellow.

Yellow - I sure do. In fact most of my MN posts were put there after a nice glass or two.
My name is pianoma and I do drink :)

I have to start at lunchtime if I want to make a Friday night thread though. This time zone stuff is v perplexing. Hence I rarely bother.

That's reassuring then piano and mad :)

@yellow not me. You couldn't get vegan booze when I was young so I never developed the taste for it.

Vegan booze? Surely its ll vegan? Or am I missing something? Grape and grain?

Isinglass. And not being able to guarantee no contamination. Vodka and gin have always been beyond reproach but they aren't gateway drinks are they.

Wines are apparently strained using pigs bladders.

Or is it fish bladders. Too late in the day for me. Brain cells dead and early morning flight tomorrow. Have fun friends!

Isinglass is fish. Cuttlefish, I think.

Sib, (North Korea) Nothing to envy was much better. The current NK book is written by an American expert and it does not desscribe real lives there in the same way although it's still interesting and he as just finishing it when the new leader took over so it's quite up to date. The NOrth Korea website is quite interesting if people get bored talking about soap powder o babies' nappies or how to save 2p at Asda on credit cruch threads www.korea-dpr.com/

Their national anthem is at www.korea-dpr.com/anthem.html

I will find a link to the £1k thread. It is headed £1k a month but we were all saying that's pathetic - real women earn £1k a day not £1k a month.

"real women earn £1k a day not £1k a month."

As opposed to what? Robot women? One of my friends is a teaching assistant in my daughters school. She works very hard and is extremely dedicated to the children. She earns about £900 a month. Is she not a real woman?

Well we hear so much day in day out from the press and society that women stay home minding babies and cleaning and a woman's place is in the home (or in the wrong) it's quite nice to present the other side - real women work full time, out earn men and often earn a fortune and adore it.

real women earn £1k a day not £1k a month - get real Xenia.
Why dont we leave greed and power games to men ...Thats is a better kind of feminism.

don't real woman get a choice? aren't you, by dictating what all woman should do, just as bad as men that believe that woman should be at home?

Look, Pianomama, perhaps you need to 'get real' too. It isn't big and it isn't clever to dismiss everyone who is economically successful as being 'greedy' or indulging in power games.

I do not earn 1K a day, I should add.

@procrastinator (love the name incidentally) I think Xenia has said several times that she knows that most women and indeed most men couldn't do the sort of job she is advocating more women should be doing. She knows full well that there are actually a limited number of these jobs available in the economy when it's doing well, let alone at the moment. I think I'm right to say she has also advocated people setting up their own businesses and see where they take them, and in theory that could lead to a whole load more women earning big money if they have the right combination of skills and good fortune. Her point is, while they are limited in number and the number of people who could do them (of either gender) is also limited nevertheless there are these jobs and there is no intellectual reason why more women couldn't be doing them because there are easily as many clever women as clever men, as many canny women as canny men, as many hard working women as hardworking men etc.

I find her point resonates so closely with me because I am really fed up of being one of maybe 3 or 4 women in a room of 50 people at high level profession-wide meetings and events all the time. I work in a profession where new trainees are >50% of the cohort. And yet at the top it's 80%+ men. When I began training, 20+ years ago, the gender bias on the intake was neutral - 50:50 split. But that hasn't worked its way through to the upper echelons. And that is just rubbish, it really is.

Mordion - And it is clever to dismiss women who are not interested in earning mega bucks as "not real" ? Women who look after their children at home as boring frumps?
Economic success is relative you know.
I work full time and have the same number of children as Xenia. And pay for schools and music lessons. But I just find statements like this tasteless. There are much more important things in life then high earnings FFS.
Xenia seems to be pissed off with men for some personal reasons and seem to be in a competition to "out-earn them" and to win a non-existing war between sexes.
The "real" "smart" etc woman knows better then that..