Something EVERY parent of a child in a UK State school should know about

[QualifiedTeacher]

The UK Government has new proposals to allow non qualified teachers to teach in UK schools. This means our children?s education may be placed in the hands of teachers without basic qualifications such as English and Maths GSCE let alone a Bachelors degree. This policy will mainly be affecting children from the lower economic backgrounds and the reasoning behind employing unqualified teachers is simply because it costs less.

I have attached an epetition which gives more information and is asking for signatures to oppose the use of unqualified teachers in UK State schools. If the numbers signing this petition is large enough, we can get the debate discussed in the UK Parliament. Please help and protect the education of all UK children in State schools.

Thanks

Of course you can lets. Don't expect to be paid on the same scale though. Only the rubbish qualified teachers and nurses get well paid. That won't put you off though because while they were all getting trained you were nurturing your enthusiasm.

Excellent-that's reassuring.

I broke my ankle last year and spent loads of time waiting in the waiting room at the fracture clinic-I might give orthopedic surgery a bash if the nursing doesn't pan out.

Perhaps the HLTAs, TA, LSAs and CSs who are covered by public sector unions like Unison, can't remember the others should say something to their unions because in truth they ARE being exploited. Yes, I believe they will be given the classes to teach the qualified teachers do not want to. The classes that are deemed to perform below GSCE Grade C etc. And yes there are some teachers who do not use them in the right way. They are to be supported and instructed before they take on tasks and it is cruel to expect them to be undervalued and humiliated by 30 children who 'smell fear.' How I worked at breaking my classes in and I NEEDED my PGCE training and subsequent training to do it. And every new class is still a new challenge.

I have watched experienced teachers undertake their first lessons. Do you think children say, 'Oh, she's the new DH therefore we'll be good?' No they try it on with new DHs and they get cut down to size quicker. It takes practice and determination, confidence and a DECENT salary to get there and to continue wanting to get there or stay there.

Perhaps what parents like MrsG do not understand is that poor behaviour managment skills undermines ALL learning. A whole lesson spent dealing with minor disruptive behaviours simply because you have not go the skills PLUS engaging learning resources (which is another creative task we teachers develop in).

The NUT does not currently accept unqualified teachers unless they are working towards gaining QTS, will they take these people on if our subscriptions fall below because we are no longer working?

And as 40% of all applications for HLTAs, TA, LSAs, CSs are currently from qualified teacher who are being paid peanuts and expected to work as qualified teachers. Will the our teaching unions step in or say, 'We'll you're working as a TA so we don't cover you? Which is happening to some of my friends.

Really complicated situated caused by many qualified teachers working voluntarily or as TAs.

When will it end?

Letseatgrandam

I rang up my local hospital yesterday to ask if I could work as an unqualified brain surgeon and they wouldn't let me. Only as a nurse's assistant and I 'm a qualified teacher with Science GSCEs.

Why can't they allow unqualified practictioners in all professions?

It SO unfair!

Parental complaints will rocket

Bah - pesky pieces of paper!

I haven't read the whole thread so I apologise if I'm repeating something already said.

DH is a submariner. On patrol he teaches Maths and English Language to both GCSE and A Level standard to anyone who wishes to take these exams in order to progress in their career. He's not a qualified teacher, he doesn't get paid to do it but he has got a 100% pass rate. It's not something he'll do after leaving the RN but people like DH willing to teach in some very odd surroundings despite no formal teaching qualifications give people who were let down by the school system an opportunity to better themselves and surely that's got to be a good thing in some circumstances.

The only reason why top end buisness/graduates/engineers/IT sector people will come in to teaching when this happens are those that have a lull in their current work, they will stick around until they get a better offer and then disappear to a better paid job.

Also what MrsG is over looking is that its the qualifies teachers that will be required to giveup their non contact time to train this people. It is time consuming enough with someone that has had some classroom experience, god only knows how long it will take to train those that have no classroom experience AND have the additional bonus of how it must be easy to teach because they didn't need the teaching qualifications to get the job.

But isnt it the case that you dont need to have a formal teacher training when you work in a public school, will this not bring state and private closer?

That's been covered already, QS.

fishybits

With no disrespect to your DH. He is teaching (adults) either 1-2-1 or in small groups who want to learn, not 30 adolescents of which some do not wish to be there.

There is also the gives those
"people who were let down by the school system"
are you really saying that these people where model pupils who didn't mess around and disrupt athers learning? because if you are you would be wrong.

No offence fishy, sounds like your dh is doing a great job an all respect to all our armed forces but... Teaching adults who want to/choose to learn for their own development/careers is a world apart from teaching young children/teens, many of whom dont want to/have various barriers to learning. Theres a big difference between imparting knowledge and info and teaching.

Sorry bony x post :)

Qualified teacher.
Many of the TAs /HLTA'a and cs's are qualified teachers anyway. The gov trained so many teachers there aren't the jobs for them. So to be employed they are taking lesser roles and responsibilities. If you are an employed teacher stop moaning and think yourself lucky.

And QS, just to debrief you TAs etc will only cost around £10,000 p.a. because they are not paid full hours, PPA, all the holidays etc and qualified teachers working a full week as qualified teachers HAVE TO BE PAID from around £21,000-£27,000 as starters.

You see qualified teachers have fixed rates depending on age and experience and some brillaint teachers with say 10 years experience could be costing a school £42,000 plus because they are on upper pay scale (UPS). Schools are already weary of employing more experienced teachers and preferring NQTs (newly qualified) because they are cheaper.

Gove has just given them an EVEN CHEAPER alternative.

Scottish education system is fine as it is, glad this does not apply to Scotland! We've always had a great reputation when it comes to teaching :)

MTPP

Believe that these qualified teachers being paid less than a quarter of their salaries in some cases I personally know of, and AT LEAST less than half of their salaries will be working to the best of their abilties for YOUR CHILDREN.

LC, the Scottish have a lot to be glad about. Always admired them PLUS they treat their teachers good.

Mmm feel a move to scitland coming on. Room for one more lovechoc?

Scotland even. See i can spell too, definately overqualified to teach

It has always been the case that the Scottish education system has been tops over the rest of the UK. Yes come up to Scotland, plenty room for others here!! And there's loads of Tesco supermarkets too!

Scitland? Oh you mean Scotland!

There's no need to send children here to the private education sector as the state schools are brilliant here, very on-the-ball. Lots of support for those who have additional needs too. All are catered for.

Can i still send my dcs to uni free too?
Just packing up my bag and fishing my qts certificate out of the bin as i'll still need it up there! :)

'Just packing up my bag and fishing my qts certificate out of the bin as i'll still need it up there!'

And to think some qualified teachers who are currently working voluntarily or as TAs etc on at least half their real salaries have had to use theirs as fuel to make ends meet!