I send my child to private school because....?

[jabed]

Well, I don?t actually, I just work in one. But it seems to be a constant source of questioning on MN and given the current news articles (I have been reading the DM and Tory graph online) about how many of our left wing leaders hypocritically claim to be egalitarian and socialist whilst buying education for their children , or have had education paid for by their own parents. I just wondered, what is it we expect from education, and why is it some of us are willing to pay for whatever that is and how they see that as worthy of their money.

There you go. :)

Seeker - I have read enough to know you're talking bollocks!
and as for I would never use the state system" and similar posts abound!
so that statement interprets as "Any independent school will do" ???

but whatever rocks your boat!

Nope, never heard them called council schools in my life

Then you have learned something tonight. :)

Its an old phrase . It just means the local schools (usually termed state provision now) and goes back to the days when the Local Authority was just called "the council" (as in council houses before "social housing" became the norm)

Sorry Seeker but everytime you are on a private schooling thread you have to make some remark like it is a very thorny subject.
It almost eats away at you, and it's not even your dc in the school!
We all have different reasons, does it mean that we are wrong to decide to educate our dc privately. I don't think you are wrong to educate yours through the state system.

There are plenty who think independent = good. There is many a thread where someone is upset about something the school is doing that they don't like and then it transpires they are actually paying for it !

Council schools? New one on me. Board schools maybe?

Jesus.

Yes, private schools care very deeply about their pupils and anyone who might disrupt their learning. Right up until the point where that pupil isn't rich enough ny more, at which point he or she is out of the door. It's not altruism, it's economics. State schools have to keep on doing their damnedest whatever the economic ups and downs of the parents.

I have never, ever heard 'council school' used before- it is deliberately used to make them sound second rate!

I hate all this state v private rubbish. There is hypocracy on both sides. It always makes me laugh how busy Sunday school is and how well attended church is until the school places are notified. Then you never see those parents and children in church again unless they are there with the school.

Someone I know moved out of London to my village and a house opposite a primary school. He was full of how lovely it was to have a local school. Then he got to know other people in the village and he and his dw and dcs started attending church, wife helping to run a weekly playgroup. Very dedicated church going. I've not seen them in church since the school places were offered and their dc got a place at the faith school. So hypocritical.

There were church schools and then in 1870 they filled in with Board schools if there were no church schools. They were never council schools.

No,I really don't think council school is a term anyone actually uses. It is meaningless.

I think it has a lot of meaning actually. Not in a good way either.

Actually private schools don't just kick pupils out who can no longer afford the fees. There are some unscrupulous parents who know that if a child is half way through their a levels they're not going to kick them out - so they stop paying the fees and the child continues their education for free.

So much depends though on what your local state schools are like and obviously if you have the money to pay fees which are bloody expensive.

I imagine that if they use it, and I have never once heard it used before tonight, it is a deliberate put down. No one is going to call a top performing grammar a council school and yet they are just a part of the state system.

Could we say it has an ascribed meaning, but isnt really a real term except by people trying to be rude?

Exactly - no one is going to call the Henrietta Barnett School 'the council school'!

Your very straight-forward view of things is certainly one way of looking at the faith school phenomenon, bisjo. But I don't think it's the only valid view.

If hoops are set up for people to jump through, then don't be surprised when some people take the hoop jumping option !
If the churches don't like it they shouldn't be so involved in the whole process.
Even Jesus said "What parent would give their child a fish if he asks for a snake ?"
My child asked for a place to learn so I did my best to find a good one for her/ him

I think what I forgot to add is those same people who have jumped through the hoops and faked their faith for the betterment of their dcs education are very critical about those who open their cheque books and pay for their dcs education.

I didn't apply for any state school for ds but we would have easily qualified for the faith school. However if I'd done that I'd have to explain to ds why he wouldn't be seeing his school friends at Sunday school!

Board schools maybe?

No, Board Schools were the predecessors of councils (or local authorities). As were "Ragged Schools"

I have never, ever heard 'council school' used before- it is deliberately used to make them sound second rate!

I dont think so. It is a word that may be used by a particular generation
(remember I am older than most of you). In my childhood it was the word we used for LA schools. There was no such thing as a local authority, it was the council. You read too much into what isnt there.

There were church schools and then in 1870 they filled in with Board schools if there were no church schools. They were never council schools.

Exotic fruits you are talking round your hat and trying to make mountains out of molehills. You are clearly ignorant of education history in England. Go and read some books and learn something instead of trying to pick an argument.

Well I'm quite old and I've never heard anyone say council schools.

Jabed.

My siblings and I plus all the other kids in our area went to Council Schools. I don't know if they were officially known as this but it was the usual term used. I am not a spring chicken neither, lol. Grew up in North West.

• am also fairly old and remeber schools being called council schools - shortened perhaps because run by the county council? And there were no private schools within travelling distance so no snobbery in the nomenclature.

No one is going to call a top performing grammar a council school and yet they are just a part of the state system

That?s where you are wrong. When I was a lad (1960?s) they were as much council schools (as in not private) as were secondary modern schools.

Now before the 1844 education act most of those grammar schools were fee paying but that?s a different matter.

As I said, go and get an education before trying to pick an argument. You are just showing your ignorance.

I send me dc to a private schools because that school is the one most able to meet their needs. Others feel differently and I don;t attempt to prescribe for them or judge their motivations. All I do ask is for the same courtesy to be extended to me, rather than people assuming I made my choice out of raging snobbery. Reading threads like this suggests I ask in vain.

Sorry 1944 education act.

Now I have to get an education. DS wants me to listen to Liberace with him. If you do not know who he is - get an education.:)

Have a nice day.