The best Independent schools generally take the highest qualified teachers?

[Hamishbear]

It might be obvious to many that the most academic schools insist that their teachers have an outstanding degree from one of the best universities but it wasn't to me.

For example if you want a job in Maths at Guildford High school allegedly you need a first in Maths from a well regarded university. You obviously need to be an outstanding teacher in the fullest sense too.

So do the elite schools usually have the best teachers? I suppose it stands to reason that there is more competition for jobs at schools that have a fantastic reputation?

Jabed - you are unwilling to share your teaching style. Why?

No one has actually asked me and its not really relevent here is it?

"I have never given any indication of how I teach. I am still not going to do so."

OK, then - what, in your view, makes you an outstanding teacher? I am interested purely in how your teaching matches with current OFSTED criteria. I would like specific examples please. It is relevent, as this thread is about how highly qualified people make good teachers. You are highly qualified, and so I am interested in the way that you teach. You are, I believe, outstanding.

I repeat - are you aware of what OFSTED currently expect to see in lessons?

Absolutely. The new style ISI is modelled on the Ofsted approach apparently according to the INSET providers we had in. We had a number of INSETS and lectures from ISI inspectors prior to our own inspection aswell as lesson observations from external assessors before the inspection. I am up to speed as they say.

So are you going to explain how your teaching style matches up with OFSTED's current expectations for an outstanding lesson?

I, for example, and very well qualfied, yet I am a very good teacher

Says you. I have no proof of that but I am not going to make assumptions about you and I am not going to ask for you to post lesson plans for me to assess. :)

I have a degree from Warwick university, did my PGCE at Warwick university, and am a certified outstanding teacher having successfully completed the OTP run by Bristol university. I have had outstanding observations from OFSTED and both internal and external assessors in three different schools.

So are you going to share how your teaching is outstanding when looked at against current OFSTED criteria?

OK, then - what, in your view, makes you an outstanding teacher? I am interested purely in how your teaching matches with current OFSTED criteria. I would like specific examples please. It is relevent, as this thread is about how highly qualified people make good teachers. You are highly qualified, and so I am interested in the way that you teach. You are, I believe, outstanding

ET - this thread is not about my teaching, although you seem to want to make it so.
It is not relevent. You are using a thread for your own ends I think. Besides, I may answer your question quite correctly because I may know how to use the correct language but still not use it - and it is in my opinion likely to be precisely what you will say next.

It may give you just another opportunity to accuse me of lying.

Suffice to say, as you have, I am both well qualified and a good teacher.

What a surprise.

You made this thread about your teaching when you started to criticise the teaching of others. It's very easy to criticise others, but only someone who is very confident in their own qualities would be willing to share examples of what makes them good at their job.

You have failed to answer any specific questions, and have been less than truthful on a number of occasions during the thread. You have contradicted yourself, exaggerated and made things up in order to prove whatever point you were trying to make, and as a consequence have made yourself look ridiculous.

At least we agree on one thing - we are both well qualified and good teachers. The difference being that I am happy explain what my qualifications and credentials are, whereas you are determined to keep yours secret.

I have a degree from Warwick university, did my PGCE at Warwick university, and am a certified outstanding teacher having successfully completed the OTP run by Bristol university. I have had outstanding observations from OFSTED and both internal and external assessors in three different schools

I have a first class honours degree from Cambridge University. (Trinity Hall). I have a Ph.D ( Cantab). My PGCE is also Cantab. I have been teaching for almost 30 years. I was a Professor before I retired from my University career. I am now a member of middle management and a classroom teacher in a top independent school.

More recently as part of a CPD programme I have an MSc in Education (Teaching and Learning). I also have a PG Dip in Education Management.

I have been nominated for one of the Pearson awards for Teacher of the year.
I have been rated outstanding by an external assessor in my current school. I have previously been rated as outstanding by Ofsted at least three times in previous inspections in other schools.

So are you going to share how your teaching is outstanding when looked at against current OFSTED criteria?

No, because you havent done this so I see no purpose for me todo so. .

Ye G*ds ET! Give me chance to type something before going off on one.
Lets give this up shall we? Well I am giving it up. You can do what you like.

You made this thread about your teaching when you started to criticise the teaching of others

I have not criticised anyones teaching here. I simply related an incident in my last school.

If anyone has done any criticising of teaching ET, its been you criticising what you think is my teaching ( without any evidence beyond your own prejudice of me) . Have a nice evening. :)

You have failed to answer any specific questions, and have been less than truthful on a number of occasions during the thread

What did I say you would do? Was I right , or was I right? Get a life . I am off to live mine.

Thank you. Your qualifications are very impressive.

I have not shared my teaching practises because no one has asked me to. You have simply refused to do so.

You have criticised others, but I have better things to do with my life than go back over the thread and copy and paste bits.

What did I say you would do? Was I right , or was I right?

That doesn't even make sense.

I would just like to say as a bog standard Post Compulsory ex teacher and parent of 3 dcs. The best teacher I ever met was so good because she didn't follow the guidelines, criteria and such outlined by ofsted. The best teachers aren't really bothered apart from when they know they have to be assessed.

Thank you. Your qualifications are very impressive

Thank you ET, that is rare praise indeed, especially coming from you.

If at any point in the future there is a relevent thread, I may offer some indication of my teaching skills ( as I am sure you would also) in a supportive way. However, this thread is not the time and this is not the place.

I have to go and help with the ironing. DW is annoyed - and she must be obeyed.

I would just like to say as a bog standard Post Compulsory ex teacher and parent of 3 dcs. The best teacher I ever met was so good because she didn't follow the guidelines, criteria and such outlined by ofsted. The best teachers aren't really bothered apart from when they know they have to be assessed

I like you! That may indeed be very true. :)

morethan - whilst I absolutely agree that the best teachers often move away from the "guidelines", OFSTED are making it trickier in some ways - if a teacher changed what they usually do because they knew they were being assessed, it is likely to be picked up by inspectors - under the new framework for inspection, they will take out group of children and ask things like "is this the sort of thing you usually do in Mr/Miss X's lesson?" "how does Mr/Miss X let you know you are making progress?" "What's the best/worst thing about Mr/Miss X's lessons" and so on. Unless a teacher is absolutely confident that their approach will also tick all the OFSTED boxes, it is becoming very risky to be original, which is a real shame. Also really contradictory, as teachers are encouraged to "take risks" (as long as it's the kind of risk OFSTED has already identified as a good risk, of course)

I just think a lot of ofsted measures are stupid. My ds2 Faith school picks a certain type of parent to give questionnaires to. (The one's who go to church). This is in an effort to get good feedback for ofsted. I find it so hypocritical. I think so many teachers have to jump through hoops to make them happy and its a shame imo. The teacher in question has retired now but she was an old school (not strict) Primary teacher who took any chance she could to get away from the curriculum. She used to make me laugh.

Jabed. Mighty Impressive, but you're not a Jedi yet.

I would be so over the moon if you with your qualifications had taught one of my dcs, but alas we don't go to those type of schools unfortunately. My dh has visited many grand schools as a specialist, can't say as what as its a very narrow field. He tells me tales, good and bad, but alas its not for us.
I think that the best schools should have the best teachers obviously. I would want the best for my dcs if I had spent a huge amount of money on their education.
Dh and I have recently voted with our feet and decided to home ed. We might go for 11+ for dd, but not sure if she has it in her, bless. I think specialist music school from 11 maybe, not sure yet. I think Ofsted fall under that famous quote, I can't quite remember, about fooling some of the public part of the time.

Bit late but just come back to this thread.

Interesting selective posting from Xenia - here are Habs Girls' Science teachers' unis - you'll notice that they certainly did not all attend top unis, and one (Hatfield Uni, anyone?) went to an imaginary university! Which again, makes you wonder how carefully they've checked these lists and if the unis claimed are factual. (I used to teach at Hertfordshire Uni, which has a Hatfield campus - no such thing as Hatfield Uni, though. But apparently the person who graduated from there is unaware of this??).

Science
Mrs V Leigh, BSc London (Head of Biology)
Dr C Badger, MA Cambridge (Head of Chemistry)

Dr H Burgess, MA Cantab
Dr R Catchpole, BSc London, MSc, MBBS
Mrs J Dabby-Joory, BSc Southampton
Miss E Dinsey, BSc London
Mrs N Ghinn, BSc Nottingham
Mrs L Gupta, LLB Keele
Dr S Harnett, MA Oxon
Mr G Jervis, BSc Exeter, MA London
Miss R Lane, BA Cantab
Dr S Lindfield, BSc Liverpool
Mrs Z Makepeace-Welsh, MA Oxon
Mrs J McNally, BSc Hatfield, MRSC/CChem
Dr S Mirza, BSc Greenwich
Mrs D Moynihan, BSc Birmingham
Ms J Pan, BSc London
Miss N Percy, BSc Leeds (Head of Physics)
Mr E Stock, MPhys Oxon
Mrs M Walker, BSc Manchester

Interested to see your response, Xenia. By the way, for comparison, I checked my dd's staff list, and there are exactly the same number of science teachers - 20 - and exactly the same number - 5 - are Oxbridge graduates. The only difference is that none of her teachers went to fictional universities... And generally, the universities attended are 'superior', by your definitions.

I repeat, think your being done paying all that cash for nothing. I suppose you do get the nice RP accents, though. Which must be a nice consolation. Personally, I learned to swear like a trooper at grammar school, and my accent consciously moved downhill several notches. Can't say it's ever held me back though. :)

Only thing is, there are 6 oxbridge teachers on that list not 5. Does that compensate for the one from Hatfield? Surely that's similar to criticising the Cambridge grad whose put Cambridge instead of Cantab?

If it was awarded before Hatfield Poly was renamed to the University of Hertfordshire, then Hatfield would be correct in any case?