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Teachers - are you voting yes for strike action

681 replies

sandgrounder · 18/05/2011 18:16

Went to NUT meeting at school yesterday re pension reform. Cannot see myself teaching until 68 and who wants their kids taught by oldies not wanting to be there.

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mrz · 28/05/2011 17:55

Cain can't help jumping from one unfounded conclusion to another

fivecandles · 28/05/2011 17:56

It is also worth thinking of what is invested by funding teachers and their pensions properly.

How are we expected to have a competitive education system if teachers are forced to remain teaching until they're 68? How are we supposed to pay for the benefits that will be needed by prospective teachers who can't get a job because old teachers can't afford to leave the profession? And how will they ever be able to pay back their student loans?

This Govt is so short-sighted. Sometimes you need to spend money in order to get money back.

EMA is another excellent example. It costs significantly less than income support which is what potential students will be claiming if they can't afford to go to college. And what cost to society and to other workers of releasing thousands of 16 year olds from low income families into the workplace where there are no jobs?

Cain · 28/05/2011 20:53

Do you think I should have all the answers?
In an ideal world teachers would be supported and repaid for their valuable contribution in old age! In an ideal world! My God!

In an ideal world there would be no child poverty,
In an ideal world good teachers would not suffer for lack of funds.
In an ideal world all teachers could retire at 50.
In an ideal world no teachers would struggle in later life.
In an ideal word younsters could be supported when entering the teaching profession.

In an ideal world these benefits would apply to the private sector - shall the rest of us strike until we get those rights?

You are so out of touch, have you any idea how fast Britain as an economy would be brought down to third world status if we all demanded these benefits?

This is NOT AN IDEAL WORLD!

You people are very dissillusioned. I'm sorry the future is not bright but you need to accept reality. Life is going to be grim for years to come and no amount of striking is going to change that.

fivecandles · 28/05/2011 21:04

What a load of old waffle, Cain. Nobody's asking for miracles. Allowing teachers the pensions which have been agreed and paid for is hardly a miracle.

To put things in perspective, taxpayers have just spent 300 million on bombing Libya.

So there IS money for that, mysteriously.

You've got to wonder what sort of society we're in where that goes unquestioned and the millions on bankers bonuses goes unquestioned yet some people object vociferously to teachers who have devoted their lives to public service and educating the young having enough money to live on in their old age. What a sick society to have got its priorities so very wrong.

fivecandles · 28/05/2011 21:05

And I thing the word you're searching for is 'deluded' although disillusioned may indeed be more appropriate.

fivecandles · 28/05/2011 21:05

Think, that should say.

Feenie · 28/05/2011 21:10

I see your personal attacks on mrz have been deleted, Cain.

Still waiting with bated breath to hear about this 2k a month.....

Cain · 28/05/2011 21:12

It doesn't go unquestioned though does it? Its just that very few of us do question and when we do we get slated as extremists! Or anarchists!

Perhaps the majority should stop being sheep and ask what IS the current government doining for us?

And I mean all of us.

Cain · 28/05/2011 21:13

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Message deleted by Mumsnet.

fivecandles · 28/05/2011 21:15

Well, I'd agree with that Cain.

Too many people are accepting the propaganda that there is no more money which allows the Govt to make cuts for ideological reasons.

fivecandles · 28/05/2011 21:16

I meant I agreed with this:

'Perhaps the majority should stop being sheep and ask what IS the current government doining for us?

And I mean all of us.'

Feenie · 28/05/2011 21:18

Gosh, Cain, you're such a charmer! You stated it, not me. You made the point, and I've merely asked you to explain it. It's how debating works.

Cain · 28/05/2011 21:21

Then when you go to your union meetings ask that question. MAKE it about the bigger picture.

Feenie · 28/05/2011 21:22

I think we can safely assume from this that your claim was hooey, then. Grin

Cain · 28/05/2011 21:25

I didn't notice you debating anything Feenie? I scanned for major points but you didn't register. What is your stantdpoint on the whole situation or did you just want to pick holes with specifics?

fivecandles · 28/05/2011 21:26

Eh? That's exactly what the unions are doing.

Feenie · 28/05/2011 21:28

My standpoint is similar to Fivecandles. Several teachers talked about the amount of money they pay out of their own pocket to help budgets stretch, and you answered that (in the middle of attacking mrz, btw) with the outlandish claim that you actually put 2k of your own money on the table for your clients. Then I asked you to explain how. And you can't.

Thought so. Wink

Cain · 28/05/2011 21:29

Feenie I don't know why my financial input into bringing my son up to the level of his peers which he struggled with due to learning difficulties is relevant? I'm giving him the best chance I can with all the funds I can. Whats it got to do with you and your pension demands?

Cain · 28/05/2011 21:33

fivecandlesSat 28-May-11 21:26:38

Eh? That's exactly what the unions are doing.

Its not though is it?

Feenie · 28/05/2011 21:34

The same point that other teachers were making when you answered them with the claim that you help your clients to the tune of 2k a month. As an added extra you said you also pay out for your ds, but you didn't include that in your 2k claim. You made the decision that this point was relevant enough to bring up on this thread - I've asked you to justify it, since I've a suspicion it's garbage. A bit rich then to respond by telling my it's irrelevant when you were the person who brought it up.

Cain · 28/05/2011 21:42

Hmmmm, why should I justify my personal financial contrbution to you? You are just a self appointed auditor! Why would I? Why?

fivecandles · 28/05/2011 21:45

I'm not with you cain. The unions are arguing that the govt should keep its agreement to teachers and are against ideological spending cuts which ultimately affect everyone.

Feenie · 28/05/2011 21:48

Because you made the point. Why isn't it important enough for you to justify now? I can only conclude that you can't justify it then, because it's fantasy.

Cain · 28/05/2011 22:01

ohffs feenie. I run deals with my customers, I have a 10% discretionary discount that I apply where it matters and I use it to generate goodwill and therefore future business. My profits generate disposable income of which a substantial proportion goes to ensuring that my son with learning difficulties has all the opportunities that his peers will have in the future. Thats what a parent does. What is the relevance?

Feenie · 28/05/2011 22:06

The relevance is that you thought it a relevant point to make. I was sceptical, and asked you about it. Politely.

And then you posted a deathwish in response, which was pretty much instantly deleted. Hmm

Thank you for finally answering. I still don't believe, however, that you spend 2k each month on your clients, but whatever.

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