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Rules...... Being broken.

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Lilsis1975 · 15/09/2005 13:52

I was just reading the thread about parents sneaking pop/juice into water bottles and this got me thinking about how many other rules are broken.

For example :
in a school where uniform is compulsory skirt, no headwear etc why are muslim girls allowed to wear trousers and head scarves, instead of shorts for P.E. tracksuits.

Why do our kids have to suffer having their "traditional" foods changed to suit the needs of muslims?

Sorry this gets my goat and I am married to a muslim man..... I have this discussion all the time with him.... he is beginning to see my point now.

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beckybrastraps · 15/09/2005 19:31

Hmm. Well, I think this school is pretty unusual. In the schools where I've taught, it has been one of the specified options in the dress code, but there haven't been any restrictions on use. Mind you - school hats! My mum wore one...

beckybrastraps · 15/09/2005 19:32

BTW - the colour of the scarf was always specified.

SoupDragon · 15/09/2005 19:33

Of course it's petty! I'm sure if the school were bothered about it they would provide scarves with the badge on. Which I assume they don't??

SoupDragon · 15/09/2005 19:34

If there are no scarves with badges on it's rather tricky to invest in one.

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Lilsis1975 · 15/09/2005 19:34

Becky,
the school hats are the colour of the school jumper Burgundy with the school badge on them, just the same as the book bags, pe kit, pe bags and jumper. When you have a playground full of kids in them and correct uniform they look very smart.

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Lilsis1975 · 15/09/2005 19:36

soup,
not that tricky. You can buy transfer paper in whsmiths and lets face it the majority of people have access to a computer and printer. I have scanned pictures in and then ironed them onto t-shirts/bandanas etc. So it isn't that tricky to do.

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Lilsis1975 · 15/09/2005 19:37

Soup,
but many parents are bothered by it. As i have said even my husband who is a muslim agrees that there should be scarves with the badges on for the muslim girls.

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SoupDragon · 15/09/2005 19:41

No, not everyone has access to a computer, scanner, printer and the technical know how of how to do what you suggest. If the school does not provide a uniform headscarf and allows the girls who require a scarf to wear any one then it really is not a problem. It's not breaking rules for the sheer hell of it or because of a "my child doesn't like X so we're doing Y" way.

On the subject of food, the menues at DSs school have not been amended in anyway to cater for specific religious requirements. There is a meat option and a veggie option and if one is not appropriate, the children have the other of have a packed lunch (home or provided by the school).

Freckle · 15/09/2005 19:41

I'm not bothered by schools changing uniform rules to accommodate various faiths. What I do object to is where rules are changed to allow girls to wear trousers, but boys are told they can't have long hair. So, if it's OK for girls to wear trousers because to prevent that is discrimination, what is it when girls are allowed to have long hair but boys aren't?

Can you tell I'm gearing up for a fight with DS2's school???

Nightynight · 15/09/2005 19:41

lilsis
you havent actually answered the question yet - have any non-muslim girls asked to wear headscarves?

SoupDragon · 15/09/2005 19:43

Maybe there should be scarves that fit in with the uniform but there aren't so they can't wear them!

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Lilsis1975 · 15/09/2005 19:51

nightynight,
yes there was a child last year or the year before, i cannot remember the exact time who turned up at school wearing a scarf. She had to take it off because she had decide through choice to wear it not for religious reasons. the non muslim girls are only allowed to wear the school hats.

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Nightynight · 15/09/2005 19:56

cant believe that the European court of human rights would uphold that decision.

Lilsis, I must add that I still dont see how this matters or why it should annoy you, and your first post came across as anti muslim, which I find surprising as you say that it is your dh's religion.

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Lilsis1975 · 15/09/2005 20:05

Nightynight
thats not how it was intended at all. I have had this discussion previously with dh and he as a muslim does agree with a lot of points i made. Obviously there are things we disagree on... but very few. Initially dh was not in agreeance with what i said until i turned it round and said to him, If christians came into a strong muslim country would we be allowed to have things changed for our benefit and beliefs. His reply was probably not. He then understood better wht i was saying, but part of his lack of understanding is that English is his 2nd language. Muslims i don't have a problem with, things being bent for selected children and not all i do have a problem with.

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Nightynight · 15/09/2005 20:21

well as I said lilsis, the law of the land does not uphold such discrimination as far as I know, and Ive never heard of any of the uniform choices in our town in the UK being restricted on grounds of religion.

2 wrongs dont make a right, so we should carry on being multireligious imo

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