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What was it like growing up in two houses?

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TryingToGetDucksInARow · 10/11/2023 17:01

My parents stayed together so I don't have any frame of reference. I'm getting divorced from my kids father they are 4 and 7. I will move out with my daughter's around July next year. We haven't told them yet.

Any tips on how to handle it?
Any thing you wish you'd done with your children in hindsight?
Anything you wished your parents had done?
Anything your parents did well?

I can't imagine as a child living in two houses and I'm probably filling in the blanks with the worst case scenario.

Thanks

OP posts:
Tumilnaughts · 10/11/2023 17:46

My parents split when I was 7. I have one suggestion and that is to make sure your children have their own space in both homes. A place to play and sleep, which can be shared between them, but is for them only. My Dad never once made a room up for me and my sister and I still hold it against him today. Made me feel unwelcome.

SubordinatedByPets · 10/11/2023 17:51

Don’t do 50/50. Lets the children have one place that is their ‘home’ and the other place they ‘visit’. Two homes in practice = no home, and that has a devastating mental impact on a child’s core and foundational sense of stability.

LeedsZebra90 · 10/11/2023 17:51

I always felt like a guest at my dad's. Which I suppose I was.

But on the flip side, my best friend lived 50/50 between her mum and dad and had two of everything and always says she never felt like she belonged at either as she didn't have one proper home.

It's complicated, I don't really have any advice - but however you work it, it will just become their new normal. Just reassure them it's about you and their dad, not them.

Good luck with it all.

Lemonademoney · 10/11/2023 17:52

I second the pp. my dad then remarried and we felt even less wanted. It was their house not my home regardless of how I often I stayed there.

Soontobe60 · 10/11/2023 17:54

SubordinatedByPets · 10/11/2023 17:51

Don’t do 50/50. Lets the children have one place that is their ‘home’ and the other place they ‘visit’. Two homes in practice = no home, and that has a devastating mental impact on a child’s core and foundational sense of stability.

I disagree. From personal experience!

SubordinatedByPets · 10/11/2023 17:55

Soontobe60 · 10/11/2023 17:54

I disagree. From personal experience!

Did your parents do 50/50? Can I also clarify what age you were, and whether it continued until you left home(s)?

SubordinatedByPets · 10/11/2023 18:00

To clarify- I also speak from personal experience.

Soontobe60 · 10/11/2023 18:01

We made sure that DD had her own space, her own belongings and we had similar parenting styles.
OP, divorce is NEVER going to have no impact on children. Some children will only see a parent once every couple of weeks because the other parent thinks they know best / should be the ‘main’ carer / because to do otherwise will harm their child mentally. Not surprisingly, that seems to be the view of the mother, who seems to think that they’re naturally the default resident parent.
We chose 50/50 as we witnessed several of our friends divorcing and their children seemed to be like pawns used in the battle between the parents. It was pretty horrific. As a teacher, Ive seen my fair share of children who mourn the loss of one parent following divorce - even when that parent was pretty shit.
The most important thing is stability - whether that looks like a change over day that is consistent, or being able to take their pet with them to each parent’s house, or their favourite toy / clothes / duvet!

SubordinatedByPets · 10/11/2023 18:02

Soontobe60 · 10/11/2023 18:01

We made sure that DD had her own space, her own belongings and we had similar parenting styles.
OP, divorce is NEVER going to have no impact on children. Some children will only see a parent once every couple of weeks because the other parent thinks they know best / should be the ‘main’ carer / because to do otherwise will harm their child mentally. Not surprisingly, that seems to be the view of the mother, who seems to think that they’re naturally the default resident parent.
We chose 50/50 as we witnessed several of our friends divorcing and their children seemed to be like pawns used in the battle between the parents. It was pretty horrific. As a teacher, Ive seen my fair share of children who mourn the loss of one parent following divorce - even when that parent was pretty shit.
The most important thing is stability - whether that looks like a change over day that is consistent, or being able to take their pet with them to each parent’s house, or their favourite toy / clothes / duvet!

Okay. You have the parent’s perspective. I have the child’s.
I felt like a homeless refugee.

BertiesBox · 10/11/2023 18:04

My parents separated when I was 10. 50/50 care. I had my own room in each house and it was fine. I absolutely felt like they were both my home, even when my dad’s partner moved in with her children.

They lived close to each other so I could get the same school bus and walk between the two houses as I got older.

It did require some organisation making sure I had the correct school books, pe kit in the right place, but they were always happy to drive me to the other house to pick up any forgotten things.

Over time I changed which days I was at each house to suit my after school activities. Again they were fine with whatever I wanted.

They co-parented really well and I had a really happy childhood.

ilovechristmas2023 · 10/11/2023 18:04

Stability! Set times set days set weekends etc! My parents split when i was 11
Worst was waiting around for my dad to get us cuz he was late or forgot!
I loved having two of everything tho!

Soontobe60 · 10/11/2023 18:07

SubordinatedByPets · 10/11/2023 17:55

Did your parents do 50/50? Can I also clarify what age you were, and whether it continued until you left home(s)?

You misunderstand. My experience is that of the parent, and witnessing the growing up of my child from pre school when we split up, to now when she is a married parent who talks to me honestly about the circumstances around her childhood. She would go so far as to say that if she ever thought about divorce, she would want to have shared care as it worked so well for her.
It is also from the experience of teaching many children over many years whose parents have split up.
My parents split up a couple of times, the first when I was in primary school. We saw my dad once a week because my mum thought she should be the primary carer, and of course 50 years ago, that was the default set up. Surprisingly, as an adult my relationship with my father was far stronger than the one with my mother.

Soontobe60 · 10/11/2023 18:09

BertiesBox · 10/11/2023 18:04

My parents separated when I was 10. 50/50 care. I had my own room in each house and it was fine. I absolutely felt like they were both my home, even when my dad’s partner moved in with her children.

They lived close to each other so I could get the same school bus and walk between the two houses as I got older.

It did require some organisation making sure I had the correct school books, pe kit in the right place, but they were always happy to drive me to the other house to pick up any forgotten things.

Over time I changed which days I was at each house to suit my after school activities. Again they were fine with whatever I wanted.

They co-parented really well and I had a really happy childhood.

That’s nice to hear.
My DD still continued 50/50 of her own choosing when she went to Uni. She lived in Halls for 2 years then moved home in her 3rd year - still 50/50 even though her younger sibling had nabbed her bedroom!

menopausalmare · 10/11/2023 18:09

I'm not a divorced parent but a teacher. Easier said than done but please keep good lines of communication open with your ex. Students struggle at school when they're leaving books/ homework at the 'wrong' house and have trouble getting organised with parents that don't talk. I feel for the ones that have a note on the school system saying 'please include both parents into emails' or have two parents' evening appointments, one for mum and one for dad because their parents don't talk.

crimsonleaves · 10/11/2023 18:11

My friend bought a flat when they divorced, the children weren't coping with the back and forth so they stayed living in the family home full-time and the parents swapped. They had a bedroom each in the flat and it was more sffordsble than a second house. They each lived in the house for 2 weeks whilst the other lived in the flat. They enjoyed the convenience of the flat and the kids visited for dinner sometimes. They tried one doing weekends at one point, I'm not sure what pattern they settled on. Having gone back and forth myself I can see the huge mental impact and changes it could cause to a growing child, so I think my friend taking on the stress to give the children stability was great.

Boomboom22 · 10/11/2023 18:15

The research suggests nesting is terrible. Far too much responsibility on the child. 50 50 isn't great either tbh unless both parents actually do parent. 70 30 with 70 with the best parent who actually tracks hw, washes clothes etc is probably best, usually the mother but not always. Anecdotes are ok but the larger stats def support more time with the mother. Courts nowadays are also interested in looking good so go 50 50 to please the adults really and views in society. Nothing is ever really based fully on research of what is best for the child.

Robinbuildsbears · 10/11/2023 18:17

SubordinatedByPets · 10/11/2023 17:51

Don’t do 50/50. Lets the children have one place that is their ‘home’ and the other place they ‘visit’. Two homes in practice = no home, and that has a devastating mental impact on a child’s core and foundational sense of stability.

This. My youngest brother is also living 50/50 between our parents, and he spends a lot of time at grandparents house, I think for that sense of stability he's lost with parents.

FatArse123 · 10/11/2023 18:20

I am a child of divorced parents (when I was aged 7). I also felt like a guest at my Dad's house. That said, the worst for me was that my parents were both having affairs and moved their partners in, both of whom would obviously have preferred me not to be there. I am thoroughly middle-aged now, and only really coming to realise how negatively its effect has been. In fact, just today I was thinking that I kind of grew up feeling homeless. This has of course been airbrushed from the current family narrative. Bit depressing really.

FatArse123 · 10/11/2023 18:23

My point being, had my parents just divorced, i think I would have adjusted to that. Had they waited to start new relationships, and been a bit more careful in their selection of partner, that could have been fine too.

GailTheFish · 10/11/2023 18:23

From personal experience (my parents divorced when I was 13, and I then lived with one parent during the week and the other at the weekend), I would say accept that you are going to end up buying two of some things (bikes, clothes, etc), and also try to keep the lines of communication open. My Dad refused to go near my Mum’s house at all, and was clear that she wasn’t allowed to come to his, which meant I had to take all my weekend things in a carrier bag to school each Friday which was really unsettling. And also accept that, if there is one “weekend” parent, that as the children get older and into their teens they going to want to see their friends at the weekend and not always that parent, so be open to thinking about the balance of when the children are with each parent as they get older.

SubordinatedByPets · 10/11/2023 18:25

I am thoroughly middle-aged now, and only really coming to realise how negatively its effect has been. In fact, just today I was thinking that I kind of grew up feeling homeless.

I think you don’t realise until middle age all the basic things you struggle with, that were caused by disrupted/disruptive, home/less formative years.

Thingamebobwotsit · 10/11/2023 18:27

I get on well with SM, but it was weird at first. There was definitely one home that was home and stayed constant with no major changes (my M didn't remarry). DF home was only ever like a holiday home and it felt very very weird visiting him for a very very long time. We almost had to recreate a new family from scratch. It works now but took 19 years.

Divorce is horrible for the children. I would never advocate staying for the children but while it brought me relief from the arguing it created a different set of issues, insecurities and uncertainty. Good luck @TryingToGetDucksInARow wishing you and the kids all the very best.

rainbowsparkle28 · 10/11/2023 19:12

Parents split when I was about 9/10. They lived nearby whilst we were all kids which helped re. practicalities of school, handovers etc.

A few things I would say...

. Have bits like PJ's, dressing gown, underwear, activities, toothbrush at each house less to cart between each others and makes it feel like you are more than a guest hopefully.
. As others have said make sure they have a proper bedroom space etc. that is theirs.
. Get a routine set up as soon as possible re. contact so that they know from the off what is happening even if it takes some getting used to (i.e. we used to have one weekday overnight and every other weekend and this was always reliable)
. Have all bits they may need for school homework etc. at each home so don't have to try to faff around finding paper, glue, pens etc.
. Don't slate the other parent in front of your children and keep any conflicts or disputes between the adults. This includes at handovers etc. I don't remember many occasions of bickering between my parents when they were at handovers but you can bet the ones they did I remember and it was not appropriate.
. Seek any emotional support from friends / family as appropriate and don't involve your children in this. My mum would discuss adult matters between her and my dad with my elder sibling who was a teenager at the time and that was not fair or appropriate for them to have to be exposed to this and to have this responsibility for my mum's emotional support.
. Ensure both of you are included in parent evening, Parent Mail, school apps and emails etc. so you can be equally involved in your children's education. If you need to have arrangements for separate parent evening etc. then communicate with this with school to sort this out and so they know the situation.
. Don't use your children as the messenger if you need to confirm arrangements / discuss anything you contact one another directly or through appropriate 3rd party if needed. Same for handovers.
. Consider ways they can keep in touch with the other parent whilst at yours and vice versa, phone call, WhatsApp maybe when they are older as it can be a lot of time without the other parent.
. Keep a respectful and positive response to them discussing the other parent and do discuss them where appropriate so that they feel able to do so, I always felt a little awkward discussing the other parent even in normal typical conversation and this would have made it easier.
. Don't put your children in the position of feeling they have to choose between you both. My mum still has a chip on her shoulder re. my dad understandably given what went on but will make comments even years later which even as an adult I shut down this conversation and say I get it but it isn't fair to put me in this position when either way you are both my parents, end of conversation. If you need to vent do it to someone else and not in front of your children.
. Don't point score - at the end of the day your children will make up their own assessment of the right or wrongs and they have the right to make this assessment as they get older of what they think of you both and what relationship they want, and if you have kept neutral you can keep your head high that you have let them make their own choices and they will figure this out.
. Maybe consider CAFCASS parenting plan as a point of discussion for you and other parent to get on the same page where possible
. Have clear expectations re. things like washing of clothes, dinner, handover time etc. I know it used to drive my mum balmy when dad would return us late or with all our clothes needing washing or needing a snack / dinner etc (dad wasn't neglectful just to be clear but just didn't think and then my mum would have this all to deal with as well as several tired grumpy kids).
. Have things like coats, wellies, etc. at each house as these were always the bits we needed to pick up from the other house as forgot!
. Have a joint calendar for you both with all kid related bits like school, clubs, parties etc. My view would be whichever parents night / weekend it is would be expected to do these bits if it falls with their time with kids unless good reason, you are both equally parents so should be doing these parts as well
. There are co parenting apps which can be helpful
. Think about how belongings will be transported between each place (only anything essential they cannot have one of at each place), my view is that it is not appropriate for them to be traipsing bags etc. to school but may be unavoidable
. Ensure they have proper overnight bag they can use
. Be flexible where possible and compromise if at all possible, pick your battles with any conflicts. This is co-parenting and where possible requires give and take. No arrangement is going to cover all situs or forsee all issues and will need to be prepared to compromise on both sides (not always I know!)
. Ultimately your children will be okay!
. Accept that possibly the other parent will do things at their house that you might not at yours, again pick your battles, unless it is a genuine safeguarding or safety issue then sometimes you may have to just roll with it, and do things how you want to do them in your own home as somethings you just cannot control.
. As an aside, with regard to the legal side of things, remember you need the financial order as well, not just the legal divorce!

Hope that helps 🙂

Sugarcube84 · 10/11/2023 19:32

I was 11,

things I didn’t like were my mum interrogating me after coming home every Sunday where we’d been who with etc and making he feel like I couldn’t like my dads girlfriend. At one point I didn’t want to go to my dads nothing to do with him and everything to do with knowing what I was going home to. This did get better after about 2 years

things I liked ..Xmas in one house yes my dad missed out on Xmas day but we always did a whole separate Xmas so I got 2 and I loved that rather than being rushed and moved between houses. From being an older teen onwards I chose which house to go to and have spent lots of Xmas with my dad since
Routine, knowing exactly when my dad would be seeing me and phoning me made me extremely secure in my dads love despite only seeing him one day and one evening a week
After a few years (once my mum settled down) I loved that she didn’t get involved in mine and my dads relationship so no drama. Looking back he must have gone on holiday with my stepmum and my dsb but it was ever drawn attention to so I feel to this day that I didn’t miss out.

I have a great relationship with all of them and all this despite the big mumsnet nos of being left out of holidays,not having my own room at my dads (at about 17) and my stepmum never doing anything 1on 1 with me. My mum and stepmum get along and both came and enjoyed each others company at my hen do abroad

Justeatmorecake · 10/11/2023 19:34

My children do 50-50 and have done since they were 5 and 3. They don’t remember anything different so to them this is normal, even if as an adult I think the idea of going backwards and forwards is awful. We do set weekdays so we can commit to clubs and activities and they know what each week looks like and then alternate weekends. The plus side is the handover takes place on a Wednesday so, unless it’s a school holiday, one parent drops off at school and the other collects thereby avoiding any emotional scenes. We do have double everything, including school uniform, so they always have what they need. I ask the children every now and again if they are happy or want anything changed and am always reassured by their answers. It’s not the childhood I imagined for them but I hope that I am modelling a good co-parenting relationship and showing them that a divorce isn’t entirely negative.

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