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I think my son's dad is deliberately taking him more to avoid paying out in a financial settlement

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Namechange596 · 20/06/2023 19:40

Call me cynical, but my son's dad has started taking him a lot more since he received the divorce petition. I think it has dawned on him that I will require a financial settlement and he is now taking our son on more overnights.
I suspect this is to enable him to pay less if it's 50/50 custody, if it went to Court etc.
Has anyone's ex ever done this? I don't like the idea of him doing this because of financial reasons, like he's trying to thwart me.

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BetterFuture1985 · 24/06/2023 20:15

And three times I've explained why you can't rely on statistics when you're dealing with an individual case, especially in a notoriously contentious field of study where its possible to cherry pick the experts who agree with you.

You don't know the OP's ex and you don't know mine yet based on statistics alone you believe you can predict what our situations are like better than we can ourselves. In my eyes that makes you a dangerous idiot. That's not an insult, it's my prediction of what you would be like in a family court situation because of your methodology.

francesthebadger · 24/06/2023 20:29

BetterFuture1985 · 24/06/2023 20:15

And three times I've explained why you can't rely on statistics when you're dealing with an individual case, especially in a notoriously contentious field of study where its possible to cherry pick the experts who agree with you.

You don't know the OP's ex and you don't know mine yet based on statistics alone you believe you can predict what our situations are like better than we can ourselves. In my eyes that makes you a dangerous idiot. That's not an insult, it's my prediction of what you would be like in a family court situation because of your methodology.

Deary me. You need to stop digging, Pal.

I have only ever commented about population-level statistics.

Funnily enough, it's not all about you...

Cantstaystuckforever · 24/06/2023 20:59

BCCGoAway · 23/06/2023 09:20

OP probably did most of the parenting before because her ex couldn’t stand to be around her and so stayed out of the house.

Your reaction to this was “Really? With this and the 'commodity' comments, what is with some of the MRA responses on here?”

Sorry? Are you saying the OP and her ex like being around each other and living together? Her posts are full of dislike for her ex, and so it’s not an “MRA” response to presume that the dislike is probably mutual and when a relationship is on the rocks, what usually happens? The father goes out of the house alot - either working extra hours, or hanging out with mates or taking up a hobby that is a time sink- leaving the mother at home with the kids.

That’s reality, that’s not an ‘MRA’ response. It’s due to the relationship being strained and both not wanting to row in front of the kids. So it’s also temporary- once the ex has a home many do want that co-parenting 50/50 with their kids because the only reason they were staying away was because they couldn’t play happy families at home with their ex in the picture. When it’s just them and the kids- they’re fine.

Give your head a wobble.

Still a sexist response. It's absolutely not ok for a man - or a woman - to react to a poor relationship by leaving the other parent alone to do everything child-related, only to resurface 2 years later once the primary carer's career is shot and she's exhausted, to announce he's actually a great dad and would like 50/50 and no maintenance. Even in crap relationships, there are plenty of decent dads (and mums) taking their kids out on the weekend, reading bedtime stories, doing the school run.
OP's ex is clearly not one of those dads, and I'm really sorry if your experience has led you to think this is normal, let alone acceptable.

Screwballs · 25/06/2023 10:27

BetterFuture1985 · 24/06/2023 15:47

If you are arguing that dubious statistics should be applied rather than considering each case on it's methods, then you should jog on. I am disgusted and appalled that you would allow for injustice in individual cases on the grounds of some statistics that might not apply.

In fact, I'd go further. I think you are a dangerous idiot for what you espouse.

I hear you and congratulate you for battling what is right. The nerve of OP to see her ex as a money machine, how dare he actually be able to have his child rather than pay her to have him. It's always conveniently forgotten that fathers have new homes to procure that need to be sized the same to look after their children. We buy everything for my SSs here, no clothes get bought over other than what they are in and she is now making them wear them back because I have not washed and returned them the same weekend and she's sent them to us with comments about "never getting clothes back"! We have our own holiday with them every year, we also cover half terms etc, and 2 weeks in summer holidays (she works from home so it isn't costing her to put them in clubs), birthday presents, Christmas presents etc as we would expect to. On top of which she takes a further two weeks a year holiday in term time, when she moved an hour away from us, but expects us to do four hour trips a day to collect them from school in that time so she can have cheaper holidays than in school holidays when they could actually spend time with us rather than being woken up at 6am and getting home at 7pm to accommodate her need for a tan, which is exhausting for us all.

At the same time, DP pays £800 a month to her and yet she's the parent that gets to take them to Disney World 3 times a year, that we could never dream of affording but actually pay towards by default with no mention of that to the children. I'm not even sure they have a clue that he pays anything for them. Every time she discusses hobbies, tutoring etc, it's always "I'm paying for this" never "we are paying for this".

So many women see men as nothing more than a cash cow and baby sitter when it suits them.

QueenCoconut · 26/06/2023 09:46

Screwballs · 25/06/2023 10:27

I hear you and congratulate you for battling what is right. The nerve of OP to see her ex as a money machine, how dare he actually be able to have his child rather than pay her to have him. It's always conveniently forgotten that fathers have new homes to procure that need to be sized the same to look after their children. We buy everything for my SSs here, no clothes get bought over other than what they are in and she is now making them wear them back because I have not washed and returned them the same weekend and she's sent them to us with comments about "never getting clothes back"! We have our own holiday with them every year, we also cover half terms etc, and 2 weeks in summer holidays (she works from home so it isn't costing her to put them in clubs), birthday presents, Christmas presents etc as we would expect to. On top of which she takes a further two weeks a year holiday in term time, when she moved an hour away from us, but expects us to do four hour trips a day to collect them from school in that time so she can have cheaper holidays than in school holidays when they could actually spend time with us rather than being woken up at 6am and getting home at 7pm to accommodate her need for a tan, which is exhausting for us all.

At the same time, DP pays £800 a month to her and yet she's the parent that gets to take them to Disney World 3 times a year, that we could never dream of affording but actually pay towards by default with no mention of that to the children. I'm not even sure they have a clue that he pays anything for them. Every time she discusses hobbies, tutoring etc, it's always "I'm paying for this" never "we are paying for this".

So many women see men as nothing more than a cash cow and baby sitter when it suits them.

I absolutely agree with this. The hypocrisy is astonishing- women always moan hear about how expensive it is to raise children as a single parent, the cost of housing, food and all the extras. Yet when a father proposes 50/50 split, ultimately taking on the exact same costs, it is somehow assumed that he’s avoiding paying for his own children. How can that be if he has them half of the time? Is his house cheaper to run, or the food cheaper to buy? Mothers seem to think that their expenses are somehow triple the value and should be subsidised.
And the reality very often is that what they actually want is to match the ex’s lifestyle because they can’t get over the fact that he might be able to afford more.
another thing I notice quite often is how single fathers who have 50/50 split usually work full time yet mothers always quote the difficulty in finding childcare as the reason to continue working part time.
and no- it’s not the new partner helping with childcare in every scenario, I think it’s just the work ethic and men not looking for excuses.

BetterFuture1985 · 26/06/2023 10:54

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Frankola · 27/06/2023 20:55

You could see this 2 ways.

The first (and it might be a tad optimistic) is that he enjoys spending time with his son and wants to do 50 50 for genuine reasons. Your son is 2 years older now, so he may feel more confident having him for longer periods.

Alternatively, it could be because at 50 50 he doesn't need to pay maintenance.

Surely it's about what your son wants? If he wants 50 50 with his dad and his dad is happy to do so then I'd say it was the best option.

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