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Sleeping arrangements for overnights with their Dad

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NeedSleepNow · 06/11/2022 09:25

My kids have just recently started having overnights with their Dad at weekends. (we have been separated over a year and only just trying overnights from a few weeks ago).

He only has a 1 bed flat so doesn't have enough room for 3 kids to stay easily. At the moment he is trying with the youngest sharing the double bed with him, then one on the small sofa and one on a blow up bed. None of them are finding it easy, the kids come home exhausted and grumpy and they don't particularly want to go. The eldest is so tired that he then struggles to get his school work done (he's now at secondary and has a lot of work to do). We go back to mediation in a few weeks, should I be voicing that this is not the ideal sleeping arrangements for the kids or just going with it to be seen to be trying to work with him? I find him very hard to talk to as he can be a bully, I feel I have no voice around him. I do not want to encourage further overnight contact as there is history of emotional abuse and the older two in particular often do not want to go at all. I was told at mediation that I basically need to force them to go rather than just make them available as the middle child at 10 is not old enough to know what is best for her (she was often refusing to see him).

We are sorting out finances at the moment so he should be able to rent a bigger place or buy somewhere more suitable soon where he has more space and proper beds for them. I want them to have a good relationship with their Dad so know contact and overnights are needed but I certainly do not want them staying too often given the history of abuse and that he can be a bully.

Sorry I'm not too sure what I'm asking really, I'm just finding this whole process so draining and so are the children.

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madnesss · 06/11/2022 09:28

What instigated the overnights?

CaronPoivre · 06/11/2022 09:30

You’re mixing up your own feelings with the accommodation being a small flat.
suggest he has less frequent overnights but rents an AirbnB or similar for lovely weekends away.

PuttingDownRoots · 06/11/2022 09:30

Can they take it in turns to stay overnight?

CaronPoivre · 06/11/2022 09:30

Or swop to stay at his flat whilst he stays in the family home with the children.

MusselMam · 06/11/2022 09:32

Sorry you are feeling so rotten. You said he will get a bigger place soon. Could you have an interim arrangement where you go and stay in his flat for 1 or 2 nights and the kids and him stay in your house?

PuttingDownRoots · 06/11/2022 09:34

I know a few families where the overnights are at GPS houses just for space reasons (the father stays there too)

RandomMess · 06/11/2022 09:37

2 DC share the double bed, one on the sofa bed and him on the blow up?

hashbrownsandwich · 06/11/2022 09:39

Technically what he chooses to do or arrange in his time is up to him. I know this as trust me, I've been in a very similar situation with my kids and their dad.

They may suggest the 'birds nest' arrangement where the children stay at the main home (aka your place) and the father stays there during his visits too. So I would be cautious if this isn't an option because it's something that if favoured by legal teams these days.

sadiewt · 06/11/2022 09:42

CaronPoivre · 06/11/2022 09:30

You’re mixing up your own feelings with the accommodation being a small flat.
suggest he has less frequent overnights but rents an AirbnB or similar for lovely weekends away.

Doubt he can afford lovely weekends away if he's living in a too small flat? Confused

TeddyBeans · 06/11/2022 09:49

Personally I don't think that overnight stays add any value to the time spent together. Can you not offer him another day/evening and hold off on the overnights until he has suitable accommodation for all of the children?

PeekAtYou · 06/11/2022 09:50

If he's a bully, it's not a good idea to invite him to OP's house for contact. He could be rifling through and photographing her stuff and she'd be returning to mess and breakages that he could have created on purposes.

It's up to your ex what the sleeping arrangements are at his house . Would the older 2 be happy with contact for the day but not overnight ? Technically the oldest would be allowed to choose his contact assuming that he's 12+ish.

PeekAtYou · 06/11/2022 09:52

As pp said, contact at grandparents house is popular for this reason. The ex is responsible for maintaining contact with his side of the family so it solves more than one problem in one go especially if the dad is crap but grandparents aren't.

NeedSleepNow · 06/11/2022 10:07

madnesss · 06/11/2022 09:28

What instigated the overnights?

Mediation. The mediator was pushing for Friday and Saturday nights. I agreed to try Saturdays only, with the caveat that it should be at the children's pace not his

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NeedSleepNow · 06/11/2022 10:08

CaronPoivre · 06/11/2022 09:30

You’re mixing up your own feelings with the accommodation being a small flat.
suggest he has less frequent overnights but rents an AirbnB or similar for lovely weekends away.

He would never pay for that. He hates spending money on anything!

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BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 06/11/2022 10:10

He puts 2dc in the double, one on the airbed, all in his room, and he takes the sofa.

Once funds flow, he can buy a second hand bunked for his room and he can sleep on the airbed in the living room.

NeedSleepNow · 06/11/2022 10:11

PuttingDownRoots · 06/11/2022 09:30

Can they take it in turns to stay overnight?

That's a really good idea, I might suggest that to him. Thank you

Grandparents houses aren't big enough unfortunately for him to stay with the kids there and because of the amount of control he wants, emotional, financial abuse etc I wouldn't want him staying back here and I think it would confuse the children too.

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pastabakeonaplate · 06/11/2022 10:12

Can he buy a sofa bed?

DottyLittleRainbow · 06/11/2022 10:13

Definitely voice your concerns at mediation, that’s what it’s for if you can’t have a discussion otherwise due to his previous behaviour.

I would be asking why can’t he give up his bedroom to the kids for the night so they can sleep properly.

RandomMess · 06/11/2022 10:13

So he's too tight to pay out for a folding put you up bed and a decent sofa bed which would solve the issue to a large extent.

Nightynightnight · 06/11/2022 10:14

You need a new mediator. Mediators are supposed to be neutral and impartial. Mediators should not be "pushing" for any specific outcome.

A 10 year old child is old enough to have some opinions on where they like to sleep. Courts will take a ten year old's voice into account when making decisions about contact arrangements but it is still better for the children t

NeedSleepNow · 06/11/2022 10:15

PeekAtYou · 06/11/2022 09:50

If he's a bully, it's not a good idea to invite him to OP's house for contact. He could be rifling through and photographing her stuff and she'd be returning to mess and breakages that he could have created on purposes.

It's up to your ex what the sleeping arrangements are at his house . Would the older 2 be happy with contact for the day but not overnight ? Technically the oldest would be allowed to choose his contact assuming that he's 12+ish.

I would hate for him to be staying here in all honesty. I have had so many problems with him just wanting to be here all the time, as he legally can be until our finances are sorted. I am trying to set some boundaries with him so that he isn't here at the fmh so much. I keep so many things locked in my car boot because I worry he will let himself in when I am at work and go through my stuff.

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NeedSleepNow · 06/11/2022 10:18

DottyLittleRainbow · 06/11/2022 10:13

Definitely voice your concerns at mediation, that’s what it’s for if you can’t have a discussion otherwise due to his previous behaviour.

I would be asking why can’t he give up his bedroom to the kids for the night so they can sleep properly.

I feel that I have no voice around him, so am finding this whole process very hard.

I can't wait for the divorce to go through and for us to separate our finances so that my home, whether that ends up, is not his house too.

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RandomMess · 06/11/2022 10:18

Can you get an occupation for the house until the divorce finances are sorted?

NeedSleepNow · 06/11/2022 10:22

PeekAtYou · 06/11/2022 09:50

If he's a bully, it's not a good idea to invite him to OP's house for contact. He could be rifling through and photographing her stuff and she'd be returning to mess and breakages that he could have created on purposes.

It's up to your ex what the sleeping arrangements are at his house . Would the older 2 be happy with contact for the day but not overnight ? Technically the oldest would be allowed to choose his contact assuming that he's 12+ish.

Yes eldest is 13. I said to him he needs to try this for a while and we will see how it goes. His relationship with his dad is the most strained of all of them.

I feel he is old enough to decide where he stays at the weekends but worry if we go back to mediation and ex says I have told any of the kids that they can decide that he will threaten court and going for 50:50 which I feel would be awful for the children. I know it can work well for many families but with history of emotional abuse I don't feel it is appropriate and would feel that I have failed my children if that happened.

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NeedSleepNow · 06/11/2022 10:23

RandomMess · 06/11/2022 10:13

So he's too tight to pay out for a folding put you up bed and a decent sofa bed which would solve the issue to a large extent.

He hates spending even a couple of pounds so he definitely wouldn't do that

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