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wife rants and shouts at daughter

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Grammyka · 23/09/2015 08:57

hi, i've got an awful situation that keeps coming up and i'd like some other views please.
basically it's like this.

My daughter - 7, who is, to be fair, a bit slack at the homework and room tidying, keeps falling foul of her mum for things like leaving her uniform in a heap. sneaking minutes on the iPad without permission, that kind of thing. all, from my perspective, normal for a 7 year old.

my mrs, is, for the most part a lovely patient kind caring woman but something about her dealings with my Daughter trigger the worst in her. This especially happens during her period. In the interests of balance i have to say that i am not criticising my wife for the why.just the how she deals with it.

This has been happening for the last several months. the mrs does not do this with our son, although he is a bit younger and maybe hasn't got to this stage yet.

So, it goes like this - the child does something like leaving her school gear in a heap my wife starts by asking her to pick it up - the kid is a bit slow on the move and will moan ( all normal, right?) so my wife raises her voice. This does not get the quick response she wants so she starts raising it some more. The Girl starts getting upset. The mrs starts properly shouting cos she is not getting the results she wants. The kid gets more upset. The wife smacks the kid - not abusive, not battering, just a tap really. the kid gets hysterical. the 'thing' that started it is still not done. The wife then starts ranting, shouting about other things that she now notices fall foul of her expectations. the kid is a wreck at this point, heavy sobs, tears streaming. The mrs makes threats about various sanctions she will impose if the 'things' are not done right now. This just makes the child's anguish worse.

Right about here i intervene. I do this because i think that beyond a certain point it is damaging to the kids wellbeing. I intervene by asking my wife to remove herself from the situation and let me deal with it. She resents this enormously and will often turn on me for undermining her - teaching the kid that it's ok to defy mum. I do believe that generally we should present a united front but this keeps happening and i've tried talking to the mrs to explain why i think she needs to adjust her methods. she is utterly unrelenting and unreasonable about this, so i don't know what else i can do, i'm trying to protect the kid.

My reasons are these :

Shouting at a kid is useful, for impact only, it should not be sustained or continuous, ranting at a kid is damaging and will not resolve the situation, it also teaches the kid that ranting is a way to achieve things, it is not. moving the goalposts to rant about other things is not fair and again damaging.

Once a child is crying you are not going to achieve anything through angry words. Continuing to shout at a crying child is pointless and indeed counter productive. Further, For me every time you smack a kid you fail as a parent, there are other ways to get things done.

This is having a seriously debilitating effect on my marriage and the 'D' word has been mentioned - never by me, by the mrs when she turns on me because oft this. She does have, and i hesitate to write it, awful hormonal anger and becomes completely irrational, aggressive and frankly impossible to talk to. she'll rant at me the same way, she'll do the same' finding fault with other things' she does with the child. for me at this point i tell her to eff off. loudly. she hates that of course. thinks its crude and not appropriate. i have to say i am always slow to anger, i always try reason, i always try to calm her down , but i might as well start by telling her to eff off for all the good it does, anything i say, do or don't do just makes her worse.

so what do you think. am i out of order?

what can i do to change this?

your thoughts and advice please.

OP posts:
waitforrose · 27/02/2016 01:29

I am currently paying CSA £500 pcm for daughter who turns 19 this summer. Her mother and I were bf and gf as students, nothing serious, never married, she got pregnant in the last week of college after I explained we should probably split as it had been nothing serious, life was moving on and I had job offers abroad. She told me later that getting pregnant would make me stay with her. I never wanted anything long term and had made that clear. I had no relationship with her when my daughter was born but wanted to have a separate relationship with daughter as the mother was obsessive and unhinged. Her revenge has been holding my daughter from me as punishment for not staying with her. 20 years on, I am still paying with no access and a daughter brainwashed against me.

Can anyone tell me when this CSA ends? Everything online says 19 while she is in further education but the CSA say that it might extend until 20.
Sadly, I have no contact with her. I think this is mostly due to her mother's influence that she gets more money if Dd and I don't see each other. It has not been for want of trying to have access.
The CSA will not give me any proof that she is in education still, in spite of the fact her A levels should have been completed last year. They claim this is against data protection(!)
The CSA have also explained her mother has 'told them' she is in education and apparently that is enough evidence.
I am happy to send my daughter an allowance but have no wish to pay her greedy mother any more than is legal. Has anyone else felt that the CSA is only interested in looking after the mother's interests in a really biased way? I am not even sure that my Dd lives at the same address as her mother anymore ... Another reason her mother should not be getting any more money.

partialderivative · 27/02/2016 12:04

SeekEvery...

You seem determined to find fault in the OP!

Basically, he is NOT the one who is hitting the child.

How far would you go to stop a 'DP' hitting your child?

partialderivative · 27/02/2016 12:05

What has happened is that the OP's wife has hit their child

Crazypetlady · 09/03/2016 16:32

This is a ridiculous thread. It shouldn't be oh poor do offer her support. She is being abusive. If it was the father doing this there would be cries of leave him he'll never change. She sounds nasty.

inastew · 21/04/2016 23:25

Fair point actually - "if it was the father doing this there would be cries of leave "

Set some rules, as a 7 year old can easily leave uniform on a chair, bed or hook on back of a door.

Spottypjs1 · 15/05/2016 09:00

The issue isn't about you intervening earlier but how to get your wife to see that there is a better way to deal with this and control her anger. You will not be there every time she rants so that is not the solution. You say your wife is normally patient and caring and this has only been happening for the last few months and during Pmt. She could have a hormonal imbalance due to menopause or pre menopause. Hormonal imbalance due to pmt/ menopause can cause horrendous rage and irrational behaviour. I am more likely to shout at my children during pmt. The difference- I know I am hormonal and do my best to control it. Try to talk to her again when she hasn't got pmt, for some reason some women find it hard to admit to being irrationally unreasonable during Pmt but she needs to accept that she needs to address these rants and find an alternative solution. There are things you can buy at the pharmacy to help to balance hormones or maybe the Doctor can prescribe something. Will she be willing to address this? Does she feel guilty when she is calm? You said my daughter and our son. Is she her step daughter?

user1492706060 · 20/04/2017 17:38

Wow OP, you have described my childhood.

My mother used me as a physical and emotional punchbag while she was all sweetness and light towards my yonger brother. My father wasn't aware of the full extent of her behaviour towards me but knew that she certainly favoured my brother. Other familiy memebers have noticed her behaviour towards me and in contrast, her behaviour towards my brother. They told me as an adult that they felt sorry for me as a child and even apologized for not confronting my mother about it. Aparently, they didn't want to be on the receiving end of her aggression either.

As a result I've harboured a lot of towards my mother. I'm still furious with her regarding the way she has behaved towards me. I've had anger management issues and agressive behaviour issues. I also still carry deep resentment towards my brother for being 'the golden child'. We learn our behaviours at home, after all. My DH has been very understanding about it all and I've been working through my issues. I'm a lot better than I used to be.

Please don't let your DD be subjected to what your wife is doing anymore. Otherwise, the problem might get worse and worse. You need to sit down and talk about it. Counselling might even help, so you can find the root cause of this. Good luck, OP.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 20/04/2017 17:38

Zombie thread - I imagine the situation had changed in the last two years one way or another

MummyFather · 11/01/2022 15:40

I also have a wife who rants and get the most aggresive way shouting and threats. This scares the shit out of my kids who are just 3 and 7. The result is my kids are relying on me for a lot of emotional support. It has been so bad I considered leaving. Yes I intervene to calm down the situations and my wife thinks I am undermining her. All I can see is the situation getting worse. If my older child kids puts a foot wrong she is on their back without hesitation. I do worry about their emoitional well being. The kids now hide behind me and fight for my time. The youger child has started now to experience more mental abuse. The only reason I haven't left is because I dont want the kids to be left with an even unhappier mummy. I feel I need to stick around because running away would make their lives awlful. Having no father around for the early part of my life was not nice and I think kids need both parents around. My older child now does not bother to try and please and has started shouting a swearing back becoming angry as well, I don't tell this child off very much because I don't want their life to more more troubled . I am a very passive person who will do almost anything for a quiet life. I feel blessed to have loving children I just get scared that their emotional strength and confidence is being chipped away. I appreciate this forum is dominated by ladies and they will probably say that the father should help the mum more; I do everything a mother and father does in that order.

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