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[eeore]

Me and the missus - sorry - DP were discussing the increasingly tedious issue of Keys and Gray yesterday, and in particular "I'll bet you were hanging out of it every night."

The missus - sorry - my DP was most insistent that the use of the word 'it' objectified the woman involved. She was less than convinced my my explanation that they were talking about an ex-girlfirend, so it hardly mattered if they called her 'it', 'looneytunes' or used the woman's name.

She wasn't having it.

So I asked her what she called my penis.

She looked a bit flumuxed for a minute, 'what do I call it?" she asked.

I pointed out that I had various names for her bits and pieces that did not involve the impersonal 'it'.... though curiously a clitorus is refered to as it (check your biology text books on that one)

I just thought I'd mention how odd it is that when the 'it' refers to is a vagina, the 'it' becomes offensive becomes somhow 'it' refers to the whole person. Yet when the 'it' refers to a penis... well it's different because it's a thingy.

Ok I'll sorry, I just wanted to share with the group. I'll go and switch the urn on.

Right who's up for the drumming workshop?

It= object, thing or part

woman = Whole PERSON!!!!!!

does she call your penis 'it' apart from when asking 'what do I call it?'

I mean she just calls your penis 'it' the whole time?

nowanewme

nice try, but unless you are arguing that a woman is a vagina - which no doubt some would argue - then a vagina logically is part of a woman.

duelingfanjo

if you are asking do we have a pet name name for my penis then the answer is no.

As for whether she calls my penis 'it' all the time, to be honest I have never considered the question - nearly said 'it' there - I shall keep a diary. Not that my penis is often a topic of conversation thank goodness... lol

Yes PART of a woman not the whole person.

Now go grow up learn some respect and be very grateful your dp hasnt kicked you in IT.

nowanewme

Thanks for confirming you are an ignorant sexist.

Utter waffle Eeyore.

Drivel of the utmost nonsense.

MucHibbes

and what frightens you so much?

That is interesting it is as though she feels that the vagina is what makes a woman and a penis is only 'part' of a man. So it is fine to say it when referring to a penis but not okay to say it in reference to a vagina?

I'm not frightened Eeyore - I just think you're slavering meaningless pish. If you said the moon was made of blue cheese I'd rate your nonsense similarly.

A penis, a vagina, a head, a hand a cup of tea ~ all can be and are reffered to as an it. A person, male or female, is NOT an it.

What is sexist about that?

But this "I'll bet you were hanging out of it every night." isn't referring to a part of a persons body it is referring to the person which is offensive.

Salatrix ~ i am agreeing with you.

Sorry for mis typing your name. Trying to feed a baby at the same time

was this a stupid pub conversation then ?

ie. started by a stupid person in the pub ?

it sure sounds like it

Keys also said "I bet you smashed it "

He meant I bet you fucked her good and hard.

Will you try and make that sound as it if isn't a completely objectifying statement too ?

No problem Nowan often people just refer to me as salt

nowanewme

the sexism flows from your previous aggressive and violent statements - very Richard Keys "it was just banter when I said she should kick him in the genetals. It was a joke, everyone says it etc"

MucHibbes

So the language, and subsequent attitudes that result from that language, imparted to children is of no interest?

Is that what Keyes said? Wanker.

"smashing" a woman

disturbing turn of phrase there...

Anyfucker

I never understood "smash it" as a description of playing the two backed beast either.

As for the rest of your comment please engage constructively.

Imparted to children?
What?

eeore...

if your OP had been in any way constructive, you might have had a point there...

I said you should be grateful she. Hasn't kicked you in it, not that she should. Also, at no point did i say it referred to your genitals.

To answer your question. It is an object. Calling a person it therefore objectifies them.

mchobbes

"put it away", "no one wants to see it," "careful or the ducks will eat it"

etc

saltrix

It is debatable whether the 'it' in the offending phrase refers to the whole person or the vagina.

AnyFucker

The fact that the OP is challenging is intentional. Hence my asking you to be constructive.

nowanewme

Your intention was clear.

It's not challenging though...it's blether.