8 teenagers in one car that crashed

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So they were driving the wrong way on a motorway and crashed in to a single driver. At 5.30am. Apparently the car was stolen. I'm seeing photos on tiktok and they look to be very young.

Where the hell are the parents in this?! I'm seeing tiktoks where the families of these 8 boys are asking for prayers, etc. I wonder if they feel any shame at all?! Or is that an emotion they are unfamiliar with.

I think these parents need to be held accountable in some way... My sympathy lies entirely with the driver of the other car.

I think that there is a difference between thinking they should get away with it and feeling some sympathy and sadness for the wasted potential of what their lives could have been had they have chosen a different path. Like I said in a previous post nobody is born a scrote, there has been a series of failures throughout these boys lives that led them to the point where they were robbing cars and causing havoc for fun. That's not to excuse what they did, that's not to say that people like them shouldn't be punished, it's acknowledging the reality of the situation.

Absolutely the Gardaí need to find a way to deal with this, absolutely the courts need to do more than what they do now which appears to be nothing. There needs to be a zero tolerance approach to this type of behaviour and perpetrators need to be punished. The government needs to step up and allocate more funding for gardaí and there needs to be a rethinking of the youth justice system.

You can have sympathy for five young lives lost and feel that the law needs to get tougher, the two are not mutually exclusive.

Wow so the same group? In a way I'm glad. It is more worrying if this was becoming a widespread thing. It also means that they were all there knowingly and all complicit in it. My first thought was there was one or two more innocents stuck in the back begging it to stop. I can't feel sympathy, honestly, it was either them or others. I feel the roads are a bit safer today. I'm so upset for the others injured, I really hope and pray they are OK. I also feel for the parents of the teens, I think its wrong and unfair to blame a parent. These kids knew exactly what they were doing. It's not just harmless teen stuff and F all to do with how their brains are wired, I hate that excuse. Almost 100% of teenagers wouldn't dream of doing this because even if they enjoyed risk to themselves they wouldn't want to injure others.

The bigger question is why were the people who did this a few days ago allowed do it again. Why weren't they charged. These kind of offenses need to be treated as serious threats to society, no bail

I also feel for the parents of the teens, I think its wrong and unfair to blame a parent.

I am sorry for their loss, but without doubt they and their community bear some responsibility for this.

I have no sympathy for them. It’s saved the country five lifetime social welfare payments too. They don’t give a proverbial about anyone else and are somehow untouchable. I hope the family in the other car make a full recovery. Commissioner Kelly needs to implement something to stop repeat incidents from these little scrotes but I don’t know what.

Just throwing a thought out there...

If a group of people of a minority dressed in balaclavas ploughed into a crowd at a street or festival elsewhere in Europe, would this not be considered to be a terrorist attack? Isn't the definition of terrorism to inflict injury and chaos on citzens, usually of the majority culture. Why do we treat some ethnic groups differently? Its known that a large number of this community openly show hatred towards Irish people. Random attacks and beatings are common enough where i live. Why on earth was the person last week allowed walk free. I'm pretty sure if they had been from other ethnic groups they would be detained.

“If my teenager did something like this - stole a car, crashed it while overloaded, etc - I would be so furious and ashamed. I would ensure he apologised to everyone involved in time.”

Just apologise? What the fuck does that sort?

I also saw them being very racist to a foreign national on a LUAS. Basically took a milkshake out of the poor girls hand and threw it into her face!!

I hate these flippant responses, almost as bad as ‘tell me you don’t have teenagers without telling me etc etc’.

Had they passed a driving test? I thought last weeks event involved boys between 13 and 16.

I don’t think the solution here is tightening the law for those who don’t follow it anyway.

A few months ago we were waiting to get onto a motorway heading to Dublin when a black Jeep came down the ramp the wrong way at speed. Luckily no injuries or worse that time. This was about 4pm on a Sunday. Traffic was very heavy. A bit further on on the actual motorway we came across two poor horses pulling traps!! Tang the guards in Blanch Garda station but they couldn’t have come across as more uninterested! Poor horses!

The bigger question is why were the people who did this a few days ago allowed do it again. Why weren't they charged. These kind of offenses need to be treated as serious threats to society, no bail

because Oberstown youth detention center is full, all 40 beds for the whole of Ireland.

It's shameful that you are comparing the two scenarios! They are absolutely nothing alike and it's insulting to the shrewsbury boys' memory to even suggest similarities.

Oh wow. I had no idea. That's... messed up.

If 2 of the kids were involved in the first crash, that's SUPER messed up.

This is vile.

The vast majority (99+%) of teenagers would never steal a car and of those who would 99% wouldn't drive it on the wrong side of a motorway. Trying to pass this off as ordinary teenage behaviour is a huge insult to teenagers everywhere.

how could you make such remarks when 5 of them have been killed?

Read the date.

Agreed.

My teen can be a total dick, but not a stealing cars and purposefully driving the wrong way down a motorway for social media likes kinda dick.

Something has gone badly wrong for the teenagers involved in these crashes, and it's perfectly acceptable to bring parenting into question. Because I'd also say that most parents hand on heart know whether their kid is the reckless joyriding kind of dick - and if you know it and don't do anything about it, well. You're the responsible adult with the fully developed prefrontal cortex.

Remember the 3 scumbag criminals who died after crashing into a lorry while driving the wrong way down the motorway to get away from the gardai. Crime rates significantly reduced and gardai attributed it to the deaths of the gang. Wonder how the poor lorry driver is, I think I remember reading he lost a leg, which probably means he also lost his livelihood.

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This is ridiculous.

It clearly wasn't a terrorist attack.

Do you thinks it’s because they didn’t care about anyone else’s lives or their own?

I hope none of the media cover the circus that will be their funerals, they should be banned from giving the send off any column inches. Their buddies and families will thrive on the exposure and notoriety.

I also feel for the parents of the teens, I think its wrong and unfair to blame a parent. These kids knew exactly what they were doing.

This is a completely conflicting statement. How did the kids know exactly what they were doing? How do any teenagers know what they're doing in life, if not from a framework of how they've been parented and taught to know the difference between right and wrong for their whole lives from when they were toddlers?

Whether it's actively teaching your children to do wrong, or just not bothering and neglecting to teach or discipline them at all... that's still the fault of the parents and very much a reason why they should be blamed.

I would also go further and prosecute the parents along with the U18s who commit serious crimes (or in their place, if the young people are killed whilst committing the crime). There are certain cases where the parents have done everything that they possibly could, and often been desperately asking for help, and are not to blame for anything - and this would all be revealed in the trial, with those parents being exonerated (and hopefully expose any shortcomings on the part of the authorities); but in the cast majority of cases, it's just criminally-minded parents dragging up criminally-minded kids.

All these comments about how we should have sympathy for the perpetrators are obviously well intentioned and coming from kind and compassionate people, who no doubt individually are good people.

However, if as a society we consistently and collectively had a hell of a lot LESS tolerance for young thugs, then there would also be less of this antisocial behaviour and violence.

Before these crashes there will have been hundreds of instances of bad behaviour from these boys enabled by a toxic partnership of bad parenting and a soft society that never cracked down enough to either force them to change or at least remove them from society.

So no compassion from me I’m afraid, not for the perpetrators.

It starts with an apology - an acceptance and understanding of one's own role in what happened. A change in mindset with an aim towards trying to never be involved in anything so stupid again. Taking the 'punishment' - the juvenile caution, the time in Oberstown, whatever, and reflecting on why they are where they are in life. Understanding and respecting the laws of the land....the young people who have survived will possibly become parents within a decade - if they genuinely take responsibility for their behaviour then they are less likely to accept awful behaviour from their own children. The cycle needs to be broken. There are no easy and quick answers but taking accountability and apologising would be a good start.