Are people who live in England planning to visit family in Ireland this summer?

[TheYearOfSmallThings]

I was feeling optimistic but Delta variant is making me less so. I'm fully vaccinated but would still have to isolate 5 days, DS(6) is of course not vaccinated.

I'm also not sure how people in Ireland feel about those flying in from London? Is it a dick move?

And if we fly to NI and lure my parents up to holiday with us, would they have to isolate on returning home?

One thing to bear in mind is that it seems like no one is actually checking on people who are quarantining

Not true.
And please don’t advocate this.

@MegCleary
In that tweet the embassy of Ireland are still using the word 'advised' which I am interpreting as being optional.

@WeatherToday I am hopeful. I have tweeted at ask what the plan is for children after the 19/7. Not expecting an answer

Meg

Not being snippy but why do you anticipate anything will change, from an Irish perspective, after 19 July?

It seems very clear to me. Children (anyone non-vaccinated) need to quarantine for 10 days.

I don't expect that to change, and sincerely hope it won't. The approach in the UK is nuts, given the extent of Delta.

I do feel really sorry for everyone who hasn't seen their family in so long. But unless you can comply - fully - with the rules, you shouldn't come.

(That said, the nonsense going between NI / ROI travel is crackers. People are doing whatever they want. It's really concerning).

Not once have I said I wouldn’t comply.

It has taken till this evening after weeks of searching to find how they will treat minors.

I have cancelled trips as it was to risky in the past.

I am sad and homesick and chatting to like minded people.

@MegCleary

Not once have I said I wouldn’t comply.

It has taken till this evening after weeks of searching to find how they will treat minors.

I have cancelled trips as it was to risky in the past.

I am sad and homesick and chatting to like minded people.

Sorry, I wasn't at all intending to suggest you wouldn't comply, my question was a genuine one about why you were anticipating a change. (I thought I'd missed something, perhaps I had).

I feel extremely sorry for everyone unable to come home / visit. 💐

I’ve read this thread with great interest and it hadn’t dawned on me that my children would have to do the full 10 days quarantine which has out a big spanner in the works. Was really hoping to get home this summer before my eldest starts school as neither side of the family has met our youngest who is now nearly 1.5
Whilst doing the night feed I decided to do a bit of legal research. There is a statute which makes it a legal requirement for all persons coming from UK to quarantine for 14 days, all persons over 16 to fill in a PLF and all persons over 7 to produce a negative PCR.

I cannot find any statute that talks about testing to release on day five for double vaxxed people and day 10 for non vaxxed. That is not to say it doesn’t exist, however the basic legal requirement remains which is 14 days quarantine unless you can provide a negative test earlier as per the rules.

I think the embassy of Ireland wording around “advised” is misleading as it seems to advise there are options. Citizens.ie is much clearer about what it required and what is an offence.

So if you have unvaccinated children they need to do ten days then provide a negative result. Not sure why you’d bother doing a test on day five if they’re quarantining??

I did read that although the guards have the power to come to your house to check if you’re quarantining, they have no power to enter your home. But that was in the Irish Times, not on the statute books.

@mydailymailhell very helpful and consise contribution and thank you (great name).

I don’t get the 5 day, then 10 day test. We will be in the arse of the west eg beach, swim & next stop New York. So test after 5 days clear and I can walk half a mile to my parents see them, hug them (all double vaxxed) then walk back to our house and children, but my children have to stay away for another 5 and then retest. It doesn’t make sense.

What also doesn’t make sense is the fact that young children don’t have to provide a negative PCR on entry but then cam test to release. So it’s ok for them to come in with Covid potentially and spread it around the airport?
Am waiting to see if there’s any further guidance in next few days. The rule around day ten test to release was introduced to try to combat delta variant and I remember at the time the relevant minister said it would only be in for a limited time . As the Delta variant is now the dominant variant in Ireland that horse has kind of bolted, no?

Our summer holiday plans are scuppered then.

My children saw their grandparents Christmas 2019. And then next saw their grandfather, my FIL, at their grandmother's funeral in May.

DH And I don't have the annual leave to be able to go over and quarantine for 10 days (for the kids, we will both be double vaxxed). I understand it's a global pandemic, DH just wants to see his dad and make sure he is doing ok on his own.

I've just confused myself over what we can and cannot do and I'm just going to wait till the 19th to see if the restrictions change.

@ParishSpinster sorry for your family’s loss. Christmas 2019 since been home too. Waiting till the 19/7 probably wisest. But it was hard to find clarification on children, that was just a random post from the Irish embassy in London I found after days of trawling the internet.
@mydailymailhell I don’t think they’ll announce changes, if any, till the 19/7.

International travel is supposed to be permitted again from 19/7 so I think they will announce whether that is the case a few days in advance of that?

I also read that the EU has recommended that accompanying minors or parents who have been double vaxxed shouldn’t have to quarantine. If only the UK had signed up to the EU digital passport!

I’m assuming at some point prior to the 19th the government will need to announce that international travel will be permitted as well as non essential travel into the country and whether an emergency break will be applied to any third countries. They will also need to confirm what date they will participate in eu digital passport. At the moment they say they hope they will be ready to participate by 19 July

@mydailymailhell

I also read that the EU has recommended that accompanying minors or parents who have been double vaxxed shouldn’t have to quarantine. If only the UK had signed up to the EU digital passport!

I’m assuming at some point prior to the 19th the government will need to announce that international travel will be permitted as well as non essential travel into the country and whether an emergency break will be applied to any third countries. They will also need to confirm what date they will participate in eu digital passport. At the moment they say they hope they will be ready to participate by 19 July

DH has an older style EU passport (still in date). Would this count as a double vaxed parent do you think?

It’s so difficult to know what to do for the best.

The whole thing is a mess & there is no consistency. If we lived in a different EU country it seems that dh & I (fully vaccinated) could arrive after the 19th with no restrictions, ds1 who has had one jab would have to quarantine & ds2 (under 18)would just need a negative PCR test & no need to quarantine. Where’s the science behind that?

I am more or less resigned that the boys won’t be able to come with us now. Whether we still go I’m unsure.

My mistake. If we were travelling from a EU country, ds1 would just need a negative PCR test too.

@Marmite27 an old style passport doesn't mean he is still an EU citizen.

[quote eurochick]@Marmite27 an old style passport doesn't mean he is still an EU citizen. [/quote]
I know, just clutching at straws really.

Sorry I meant the EU digital Covid cert….not passport. Ireland hasn’t made an special exemptions for Irish citizens and their families entering the country, like Sweden has for example. Swedish citizens and their families (whether Swedish or not) can enter Sweden just by showing a negative pre arrival test. I actually feel a bit abandoned by my government. I am a citizen who at the moment is not legally allowed to return to my country of nationality.

@mydailymailhell that’s a very emotive and valid point. Bets there’s lots of us though and passport applications would hit post brexit levels! (Paltry attempt at light relief)

News just in

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/vaccinated-people-travelling-from-britain-will-not-face-home-quarantine-1.4614090?mode=amp

@mydailymailhell hmmm intriguing and interesting and informative.
Will have to see if the children rules are 5 days or 10. Some countries treating families as a whole.
Thanks for the update

[quote mydailymailhell]News just in

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/vaccinated-people-travelling-from-britain-will-not-face-home-quarantine-1.4614090?mode=amp[/quote]
Oooh, I have been waiting for this - just need to know about the kids.

I don’t think that’s anything new - providing they don’t “apply a handbrake” that was always the plan. As others have said, it’s the situation around unvaccinated children that may affect families trying to go back for a visit.