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Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.

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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 01/02/2023 19:16

There's an article in todays Times by an investigative reporter, who went undercover with the company British Gas uses for debt collection and fitting prepayment meters. Many may not be able to see it as it's behind a paywall, but I'll try to explain.

The company in question, Arvato, are obtaining warrants and force fitting prepayment meters in the homes of vulnerable customers, which is illegal. Anyone with vulnerabilities should be assessed beforehand to ensure they're not placed at risk by "self disconnection", effectively when they are unable to top up tho meter due to financial constraints. But they're doing this daily, and not only apparently revelling in it, but also being paid bonuses for doing so. 😡

I'm sorry, this post is long, but I implore EVERYONE to read it. As a disabled person myself, who is bed bound and very vulnerable, this terrifies me. If I am disconnected I will die, no question. As human beings, however much money we have, this is behaviour that should deeply concern US ALL!! Please, please, please forward this to anyone you know, get it out there, it's so important people know how these energy companies who are "so" concerned about are are behaving. All whilst robbing us blind.

I'm going to post some of it here so you can judge for yourselves, but would encourage those with access to read the whole thing....

An undercover reporter worked for Arvato, a company used by British Gas to pursue debts, amid rocketing energy prices and more customers falling behind with their bills.

The reporter accompanied debt agents in below-freezing conditions as they worked with a locksmith to break into the home of a single father of three young children and switch it to a prepayment meter. If families with these gas meters cannot afford to top up, their heating is cut off.

On another occasion agents were sent by British Gas with a court warrant to force-fit a meter at the home of a young mother with a four-week-old baby. Her bills have risen sevenfold during the cost of living crisis.

According to job notes seen by The Times, other British Gas customers who have had prepayment meters fitted by force in recent weeks include a woman in her fifties described as “severe mental health bipolar”, a woman who “suffers with mobility problems and is partially sighted” and a mother whose “daughter is disabled and has a hoist and [an] electric wheelchair”.

Last month Centrica, the owner of British Gas, said it expects to report a more than sevenfold increase in net profits for last year after benefitting from volatile energy prices.

Last month Grant Shapps wrote to energy companies warning them to stop force-fitting prepayment meters, but the undercover reporter found that British Gas has continued.

Ofgem, the energy regulator, says that forcing customers onto prepayment meters under warrant should only ever be a last resort, and should never occur when customers are “in very vulnerable situations”.

The regulator says that vulnerability can include being of state pension age, having a disability, a mental health condition, being pregnant, or having children under five years old.

Debt collectors working for Arvato, on behalf of British Gas, are incentivised with bonuses when they force-fit prepayment meters, which can encourage them to ignore vulnerabilities.

One agent claimed single mothers were their most common customers, adding: “If every single mum that starts getting a bit teary you’re going to walk away from, you won’t be earning any bonus.”

British Gas agents have continued to remotely switch customers on smart meters to pay-as-you-go settings, despite its parent company saying this would be stopped during the winter.

A manager overseeing debt collectors for British Gas told of manipulating customers by saying the police would kick in their doors and search their homes if they did not comply.

An agent enforcing warrants for British Gas said of his colleagues: “If they go in and they see an elderly lady, they’ll be like, ‘oh an easy job for me.’ ”

When out undercover with a team, the gas engineer got to work, switching the family to a pay-as-you-go smart meter which will cut off their heating if it is not topped up. He explains that a technical issue means the family may well not be sent a top-up card for their new meter. “He won’t be sent a card so he’s going to go off supply,” he says. “It’ll be £10 emergency and then that’s it, he’ll go off supply.” When we entered the home, the radiators were warm. When we leave, they are cold.

During my interview for the role, the Arvato debt collection manager was dismissive about customers claiming to be too vulnerable to have top up meters. “People say all sorts of shit,” he told me. “You’ll hear every excuse you’ve ever heard in life about why they haven’t paid this bill.”

I asked about customers who were over 65, or those with young children at home. “The five year old has got nothing to do with it,” he said, “It wouldn’t stop you.”

The manager also offered tips about how to get into people’s homes without a fight, including threatening that the police would smash in their doors. “I’m not going to break into your house if your wife and kids are there. But what I’m going to try to do is talk your wife into letting me into the house,” he explained.

Before starting as a debt collector, I had four days of video training. Describing the warrant process, the Arvato trainer said: “Honestly, it’s a little bit cheeky. Basically the government says you can’t disconnect residential customers so what we do is we install a prepayment meter and then if they don’t top up they self-disconnect. So we don’t actually disconnect them. It’s a bit of a laughable loophole.”

Asked by one of the new recruits whether we would stop force-fitting a meter on the day in exceptional circumstances, the trainer said: “That person could tell you that their entire family of 50 were in a horrific aeroplane crash and were the sole survivor and we’d still be saying that’s a shame but we are changing your meter.”

In one property, Alfonso did not seem fazed by signs that children were living in the home. Speaking into his phone, he said: “For the benefit of the call recording, no one inside the property, dog has been contained by a dog handler, no risks, no vulnerabilities on site.”

One agent who refused to disconnect a mother with young children, claimed other agents had broken in through people’s windows and stolen from customers. “You have other warrant officers that will just do everything, do absolutely everything,” he said. “If they go in and, it’s a bad thing to say, but they go in and they see like an elderly lady, they’ll be like, oh an easy job for me.”

Centrica announced on January 18 that it was stopping a practice called “remote switches”, or “mode changes”. This involves remotely switching customers with smart meters to pay-as-you-go settings when they are struggling to pay their bills.

The following day I watched one of the debt agents still doing this, by calling a British Gas call centre. The British Gas call operator said: “That’s all done. Mode change has been requested. Any time today the meter will be changed to a pay-as-you-go.”

During my time working for Arvato, I learnt that the agents’ bonuses incentivised them to force-fit meters. When we successfully force-fitted a meter, the agent earned two bonus points, worth almost £4 per job. When the agent I shadowed walked away from the young mother’s home, he only received one bonus point, worth less than £2. The culture was target driven. Agents were scored on their results and sent league tables showing how they were performing compared with others across the country.

During one lunch break with the other debt agents, Alfonso described his experience of the culture in this industry.

“As long as you don’t do anything silly you won’t get in trouble,” he said. “You’ll have to literally like murder someone in this job to get in trouble. You won’t get in trouble.”

[Title edited by MNHQ to correct typo]

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bluebell34567 · 05/02/2023 10:12

they make billions of pounds of profit and they still do this.
there must be more strong regulations with strong consequences.

Tianc · 05/02/2023 11:49

PeekAtYou · 01/02/2023 20:40

That's awful.

The conspiracy theorists are right about how wary we should be about smart meters

No conspiracy theory needed.

The power companies said openly right from the start that they intended to do this.

See my 2011 thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/other_subjects/1327330-Anyone-having-a-gas-leccy-meter-replaced-with-a-Smart-Meter-Something-you-need-to-know
Smart Meters will be reprogrammable remotely. If a power company thinks you owe it money - or makes a typo - it will flick your meter over to Prepayment mode and load it with whatever it thinks your debt is (see p16).

Here's the government document referred to:
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/42729/231-smart-metering-imp-consumer-protection.pdf

Oddly enough, they don't put this in their smart meter advertising...

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 05/02/2023 12:07

gamerchick · 05/02/2023 09:57

Also, when energy suppliers apply for entry warrants, they do not inform the customer. It would make a huge difference if customers knew a warrant was being applied for, and then they could at least attend to prevent it. At the moment all anyone knows about a warrant being issued is when they're drilling your locks, or you come home to find they've broken in whilst you've been at work

If I wasn't paying for my energy, then it's common sense to expect the energy company to act and fit a meter. It wouldn't come as a huge surprise surely?

I get that it's unfair but we all have to pay for gas and electric, we're not going to be given it for free just because we can't pay for it.

Pre payment meters will become obsolete anyway when everyone's got a smart meter, can just be switched to pre pay remotely.

Noone is saying people should be able to refuse to pay and get away with it. By obtaining warrants against the vulnerable, they are breaking the law. It has been illegal since 2018 to disconnect, or force a prepay meter, on the vulnerable. This is due to the risk it may impose to them if they "self disconnect" if they cannot afford to top up. If this were to happen, I would die.

Many disabled and vulnerable, myself being one, simply cannot afford to pay. It isn't that we don't want to but after keeping a roof over our head, eating, and paying for care, there is simply not enough money.

When energy suppliers were told in 2018 they could no longer do this, they would certainly have allowed for it. Many are given emergency supply with no charge, or referred to charity funds etc, but if you do not physically have the money, how can you pay?

So the reason for the public outcry isn't about those who won't, it's the illegal persecution of those who can't.

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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 05/02/2023 12:15

gamerchick · 05/02/2023 09:57

Also, when energy suppliers apply for entry warrants, they do not inform the customer. It would make a huge difference if customers knew a warrant was being applied for, and then they could at least attend to prevent it. At the moment all anyone knows about a warrant being issued is when they're drilling your locks, or you come home to find they've broken in whilst you've been at work

If I wasn't paying for my energy, then it's common sense to expect the energy company to act and fit a meter. It wouldn't come as a huge surprise surely?

I get that it's unfair but we all have to pay for gas and electric, we're not going to be given it for free just because we can't pay for it.

Pre payment meters will become obsolete anyway when everyone's got a smart meter, can just be switched to pre pay remotely.

Also, it is well known these companies often make mistakes. Some classic examples recently, people being chased for gas bills when they don't have gas. Many having prepay force fitted when the debt is not theirs, but a previous owner or tenant.

Have we now become a dictatorship? Bear in mind these are warrants issued in a criminal, not a civil court. I believed we all had the right to a defence before being judged and sentenced, but how on earth is anyone meant to do that when they were not even informed about what is taking place?

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gamerchick · 05/02/2023 18:25

I know companies make mistakes, it's the main reason I won't have a smart meter.

But you are basically saying from what I can glean, that those who can't afford it should just be left alone because they're vulnerable. The world has never worked like that, like ever. Pre payment meters have been a thing for a long time.

The price of energy is utterly outrageous. Life is shit for more people than not

gamerchick · 05/02/2023 18:26

. I believed we all had the right to a defence before being judged and sentenced, but how on earth is anyone meant to do that when they were not even informed about what is taking place?

Not paying your bills pretty much puts you on that path OP. It shouldn't come as a surprise.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 05/02/2023 18:43

gamerchick · 05/02/2023 18:26

. I believed we all had the right to a defence before being judged and sentenced, but how on earth is anyone meant to do that when they were not even informed about what is taking place?

Not paying your bills pretty much puts you on that path OP. It shouldn't come as a surprise.

As I've already said, it's not about won't, it's about can't.

Please tell me what I am meant to do. After rent, if I were to pay my full utility bill, that would take 90% of my income. I would be left with less than £200 to pay all other bills, food and care. I do not have debt to service, nor do I have expensive TV subs, drink, smoke, nor have 300 inch TV's. But if my power/heat goes off I die.

Especially with the huge increase in power costs, with no matching rise for the poorest in benefits or wages, what are the vulnerable to do? Just die so as not to incur inconvenience on others, as the Tories have been trying to do for years?

When it was made illegal in 2018 to either disconnect or force prepay meters on the vulnerable, energy companies would have taken this into account regarding their finances. When a company is declaring their profits will increase seven fold this year, on an already obscene profit, they can clearly be more moral in their actions. For a start, it would make an enormous difference to the vulnerable if they were to bill them at at cost, rather than make obscene profits from the poor.

This is about the vulnerable, not the feckless. If you want to benefit bash, please start your own thread.

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gamerchick · 05/02/2023 18:56

I'm not benefit bashing though and I've not once said won't pay.

I do agree that energy prices are outrageous but these meters have been installed in homes for those who can't afford it for eons. What you're asking for is not going to happen. No government is going to allow cheaper energy to those who are vulnerable. While everyone else sits with their heating off in sub zero temps because they're not entitled to any help. There would be ructions.

They should sort out the bigger problem with it so we're all not paying through the nose.

BCBird · 05/02/2023 19:05

The people authorising,executing and be benefting from this should hang their heads in shame.

Xenia · 05/02/2023 20:04

For a start alwayts refuse a smart meter if one is offered., I believe you have a legal right to refuse one unless your meter is broken. I have refused one repeatedly and am glad I did (although it has meant I am on the highest EDF tariff reserved for refuseniks like I am)

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 05/02/2023 20:45

gamerchick · 05/02/2023 18:56

I'm not benefit bashing though and I've not once said won't pay.

I do agree that energy prices are outrageous but these meters have been installed in homes for those who can't afford it for eons. What you're asking for is not going to happen. No government is going to allow cheaper energy to those who are vulnerable. While everyone else sits with their heating off in sub zero temps because they're not entitled to any help. There would be ructions.

They should sort out the bigger problem with it so we're all not paying through the nose.

Yes they've been installed for many years. And I completely agree for persistent non payers, but not the vulnerable. The practice has been made illegal for a very good reason.

Please tell me what you suggest I should do. "Self disconnect" myself, die, and just save anyone else the inconvenience?

Prior to becoming disabled, which by the way was not anything of my doing but negligence, I have always been responsible. High earner, fortune paid in taxes, bills paid, responsible lifestyle, children well cared for etc. Through no fault of my own I am forced to live in abject poverty, with zero dignity or quality of life.

And now, I should pay for the energy that prevents me from dying, but starve to death instead? Or not pay for the care that stops me from lying rotting in my own shit?

You apparently have the answers, please enlighten us all.

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gamerchick · 05/02/2023 21:39

Xenia · 05/02/2023 20:04

For a start alwayts refuse a smart meter if one is offered., I believe you have a legal right to refuse one unless your meter is broken. I have refused one repeatedly and am glad I did (although it has meant I am on the highest EDF tariff reserved for refuseniks like I am)

My time is coming as well with EDF. Froze us all winter in preparation for it.

I don't have the answers OP. But wanting cut price energy isnt going to happen for you and other in the same boat. Forcing prepayment meters is being suspended. That is a good thing isn't it?

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 05/02/2023 23:02

gamerchick · 05/02/2023 21:39

My time is coming as well with EDF. Froze us all winter in preparation for it.

I don't have the answers OP. But wanting cut price energy isnt going to happen for you and other in the same boat. Forcing prepayment meters is being suspended. That is a good thing isn't it?

It is, but being illegal it shouldn't have been happening to the vulnerable anyway.

And I've never said I want cut price energy. But when it's 90% of your income, how can that be right or sustainable for anyone? If they want us to pay it, then they need to give us the income to make that possible. That, or the vulnerable need to have some sort of assistance, or a social tariff needs to be introduced.

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JenniferBooth · 06/02/2023 16:23

I wonder why the housing associations arent up in arms about this. They wont be able to do the mandatory gas safety checks if their tenants gas and/or electric has been cut off. (i say electric because a lot of boilers are powered by an electric pump

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 06/02/2023 16:50

JenniferBooth · 06/02/2023 16:23

I wonder why the housing associations arent up in arms about this. They wont be able to do the mandatory gas safety checks if their tenants gas and/or electric has been cut off. (i say electric because a lot of boilers are powered by an electric pump

Really good point, I hadn't thought about that.

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JenniferBooth · 07/02/2023 22:25

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/firm-used-force-prepayment-british-29135224?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

British Gas bailiff firm forcibly fitting pre-payment meters in homes got £1.5m furlough cash

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