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Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.

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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 01/02/2023 19:16

There's an article in todays Times by an investigative reporter, who went undercover with the company British Gas uses for debt collection and fitting prepayment meters. Many may not be able to see it as it's behind a paywall, but I'll try to explain.

The company in question, Arvato, are obtaining warrants and force fitting prepayment meters in the homes of vulnerable customers, which is illegal. Anyone with vulnerabilities should be assessed beforehand to ensure they're not placed at risk by "self disconnection", effectively when they are unable to top up tho meter due to financial constraints. But they're doing this daily, and not only apparently revelling in it, but also being paid bonuses for doing so. 😡

I'm sorry, this post is long, but I implore EVERYONE to read it. As a disabled person myself, who is bed bound and very vulnerable, this terrifies me. If I am disconnected I will die, no question. As human beings, however much money we have, this is behaviour that should deeply concern US ALL!! Please, please, please forward this to anyone you know, get it out there, it's so important people know how these energy companies who are "so" concerned about are are behaving. All whilst robbing us blind.

I'm going to post some of it here so you can judge for yourselves, but would encourage those with access to read the whole thing....

An undercover reporter worked for Arvato, a company used by British Gas to pursue debts, amid rocketing energy prices and more customers falling behind with their bills.

The reporter accompanied debt agents in below-freezing conditions as they worked with a locksmith to break into the home of a single father of three young children and switch it to a prepayment meter. If families with these gas meters cannot afford to top up, their heating is cut off.

On another occasion agents were sent by British Gas with a court warrant to force-fit a meter at the home of a young mother with a four-week-old baby. Her bills have risen sevenfold during the cost of living crisis.

According to job notes seen by The Times, other British Gas customers who have had prepayment meters fitted by force in recent weeks include a woman in her fifties described as “severe mental health bipolar”, a woman who “suffers with mobility problems and is partially sighted” and a mother whose “daughter is disabled and has a hoist and [an] electric wheelchair”.

Last month Centrica, the owner of British Gas, said it expects to report a more than sevenfold increase in net profits for last year after benefitting from volatile energy prices.

Last month Grant Shapps wrote to energy companies warning them to stop force-fitting prepayment meters, but the undercover reporter found that British Gas has continued.

Ofgem, the energy regulator, says that forcing customers onto prepayment meters under warrant should only ever be a last resort, and should never occur when customers are “in very vulnerable situations”.

The regulator says that vulnerability can include being of state pension age, having a disability, a mental health condition, being pregnant, or having children under five years old.

Debt collectors working for Arvato, on behalf of British Gas, are incentivised with bonuses when they force-fit prepayment meters, which can encourage them to ignore vulnerabilities.

One agent claimed single mothers were their most common customers, adding: “If every single mum that starts getting a bit teary you’re going to walk away from, you won’t be earning any bonus.”

British Gas agents have continued to remotely switch customers on smart meters to pay-as-you-go settings, despite its parent company saying this would be stopped during the winter.

A manager overseeing debt collectors for British Gas told of manipulating customers by saying the police would kick in their doors and search their homes if they did not comply.

An agent enforcing warrants for British Gas said of his colleagues: “If they go in and they see an elderly lady, they’ll be like, ‘oh an easy job for me.’ ”

When out undercover with a team, the gas engineer got to work, switching the family to a pay-as-you-go smart meter which will cut off their heating if it is not topped up. He explains that a technical issue means the family may well not be sent a top-up card for their new meter. “He won’t be sent a card so he’s going to go off supply,” he says. “It’ll be £10 emergency and then that’s it, he’ll go off supply.” When we entered the home, the radiators were warm. When we leave, they are cold.

During my interview for the role, the Arvato debt collection manager was dismissive about customers claiming to be too vulnerable to have top up meters. “People say all sorts of shit,” he told me. “You’ll hear every excuse you’ve ever heard in life about why they haven’t paid this bill.”

I asked about customers who were over 65, or those with young children at home. “The five year old has got nothing to do with it,” he said, “It wouldn’t stop you.”

The manager also offered tips about how to get into people’s homes without a fight, including threatening that the police would smash in their doors. “I’m not going to break into your house if your wife and kids are there. But what I’m going to try to do is talk your wife into letting me into the house,” he explained.

Before starting as a debt collector, I had four days of video training. Describing the warrant process, the Arvato trainer said: “Honestly, it’s a little bit cheeky. Basically the government says you can’t disconnect residential customers so what we do is we install a prepayment meter and then if they don’t top up they self-disconnect. So we don’t actually disconnect them. It’s a bit of a laughable loophole.”

Asked by one of the new recruits whether we would stop force-fitting a meter on the day in exceptional circumstances, the trainer said: “That person could tell you that their entire family of 50 were in a horrific aeroplane crash and were the sole survivor and we’d still be saying that’s a shame but we are changing your meter.”

In one property, Alfonso did not seem fazed by signs that children were living in the home. Speaking into his phone, he said: “For the benefit of the call recording, no one inside the property, dog has been contained by a dog handler, no risks, no vulnerabilities on site.”

One agent who refused to disconnect a mother with young children, claimed other agents had broken in through people’s windows and stolen from customers. “You have other warrant officers that will just do everything, do absolutely everything,” he said. “If they go in and, it’s a bad thing to say, but they go in and they see like an elderly lady, they’ll be like, oh an easy job for me.”

Centrica announced on January 18 that it was stopping a practice called “remote switches”, or “mode changes”. This involves remotely switching customers with smart meters to pay-as-you-go settings when they are struggling to pay their bills.

The following day I watched one of the debt agents still doing this, by calling a British Gas call centre. The British Gas call operator said: “That’s all done. Mode change has been requested. Any time today the meter will be changed to a pay-as-you-go.”

During my time working for Arvato, I learnt that the agents’ bonuses incentivised them to force-fit meters. When we successfully force-fitted a meter, the agent earned two bonus points, worth almost £4 per job. When the agent I shadowed walked away from the young mother’s home, he only received one bonus point, worth less than £2. The culture was target driven. Agents were scored on their results and sent league tables showing how they were performing compared with others across the country.

During one lunch break with the other debt agents, Alfonso described his experience of the culture in this industry.

“As long as you don’t do anything silly you won’t get in trouble,” he said. “You’ll have to literally like murder someone in this job to get in trouble. You won’t get in trouble.”

[Title edited by MNHQ to correct typo]

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LauraNicolaides · 02/02/2023 00:06

I've no wish to absolve the various bad guys here, but isn't the real problem (and need for reform) with the legal process for issuing warrants? The judge needs to ascertain whether the customer is vulnerable. And given that the nature of litigation in this country is adversarial I don't see how you can't place a burden on one side in a court application to make an argument on behalf of the other.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/02/2023 01:10

LauraNicolaides · 02/02/2023 00:06

I've no wish to absolve the various bad guys here, but isn't the real problem (and need for reform) with the legal process for issuing warrants? The judge needs to ascertain whether the customer is vulnerable. And given that the nature of litigation in this country is adversarial I don't see how you can't place a burden on one side in a court application to make an argument on behalf of the other.

Absolutely. I actually sat in on a warrant signing a few years ago (out of curiosity, I was a credit manager in my previous more able life!). It was horrific. Literally thousands of warrants approved in minutes with one stroke of a pen. Of course questions were asked, "any vulnerabilities?", answer "no", etc, all whilst actually signing, obviously asked because they were meant to, but probably wouldn't have taken any notice anyway! Absolutely taking utility companies word for everything.

I just want to remind everyone reading this that ANYONE who is vulnerable CANNOT legally have a prepayment meter forced upon them. Read up the criteria on OFGEM's website, and ensure your name is placed on your energy company's Priority Services Register. This burdens them with a legal obligation to conduct a risk assessment before even considering you for a prepayment meter. Many companies ignore the rules, but it helps enormously if you know legally where you stand, and are prepared to fight your corner.

I just this helps someone.

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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/02/2023 01:13

Unfortunately, I just don't believe them. They already stated they weren't changing people on smart meters over to prepayment in January, but carried on doing just that after their announcement.

Why on earth would anyone trust them now?!

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medianewbie · 02/02/2023 01:29

Oooof.
I'm with Scottish Gas. My meter is old. I don't believe it's running properly. I have an appointment next week. I've asked for my meter to be checked. I think they will try to install a smartmeter. Can i stop them if they insist ?

NocturnalClocks · 02/02/2023 01:40

I was just read this article. It's sickening. Complete abuse of vulnerable and disabled people on purpose, seeking loopholes to bypass legislation to protect them.

Sadly it's not new though. As a vulnerable, disabled 16 year old living alone I had a prepayment meter. It was there when I moved in. I had no idea that it must have been deducting debts for previous tenants for my tops ups. Frequently I was left with no electricity (there was no heating installed in the flat anyway).

I feel so much for these people with how much more terrifying that must be with small children in the house, who you cannot gez warm. It's heartbreaking. It makes me really furious that people are being subjected to this. What can we do? The Government are bleating about it being unacceptable but not actually stopped it clearly. Where are the penalties for the companies that do this?

And whatever you do, don't ever get a smart meter. I'd heart about this remote switching capability before which is why I don't have one. As well as being able to remotely switch you to prepayment, the meters also have the capability to be switched off completely remotely, e.g. to ration power supplies. No thanks!!

NocturnalClocks · 02/02/2023 01:43

medianewbie · 02/02/2023 01:29

Oooof.
I'm with Scottish Gas. My meter is old. I don't believe it's running properly. I have an appointment next week. I've asked for my meter to be checked. I think they will try to install a smartmeter. Can i stop them if they insist ?

Yes, you can. If the meter simply needs replacing (not a non-payment issue with a warrant to install prepayment) you can insist the install a like-for-like meter. The will claim they can't, that all new meters are smart meters etc. But you can refuse to have it replaced until they bring a standard meter like you have now and install that instead. And they will (after an annoying and pointless fight about it) because they want to be able to measure what power you're using so they can charge you for it...

medianewbie · 02/02/2023 09:11

@NocturnalClocks they ARE charging me for it. I read my meter each month dial it in & pay. Have done for years. But as the prices have increased its been increasingly hard (£603 for Dec alone! & I'm a Carer for 2 disabled kids on Income Support).
So, I spoke to CAB & a couple of energy charities & they said I'm using 3x what they'd expect so get elderly meter checked. I've been trying for 12m now.
Scottish Power have just sent a 'smart meter appt' text. I called them & they said: ' all meter apps are called that'. But I've also been advised if meter more then 6ft off floor (it is) they won't be able to check due to health & safety & will Charge an £85 'abort appt' fee. I've phoned them 6 times over last month & was told the above, that I'd need to replace meter from my own funds, that SM not available in area etc etc. Now really worried about appt.

My bill is currently with their own Debt Dept as 'we forgot to freeze it as we lost your formal complaint' (SP notorious for this). I suspect if I let them fit a SM then they'd change my rate due to this ? So I don't want one.

EllisActon · 02/02/2023 09:25

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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/02/2023 09:41

medianewbie · 02/02/2023 09:11

@NocturnalClocks they ARE charging me for it. I read my meter each month dial it in & pay. Have done for years. But as the prices have increased its been increasingly hard (£603 for Dec alone! & I'm a Carer for 2 disabled kids on Income Support).
So, I spoke to CAB & a couple of energy charities & they said I'm using 3x what they'd expect so get elderly meter checked. I've been trying for 12m now.
Scottish Power have just sent a 'smart meter appt' text. I called them & they said: ' all meter apps are called that'. But I've also been advised if meter more then 6ft off floor (it is) they won't be able to check due to health & safety & will Charge an £85 'abort appt' fee. I've phoned them 6 times over last month & was told the above, that I'd need to replace meter from my own funds, that SM not available in area etc etc. Now really worried about appt.

My bill is currently with their own Debt Dept as 'we forgot to freeze it as we lost your formal complaint' (SP notorious for this). I suspect if I let them fit a SM then they'd change my rate due to this ? So I don't want one.

I'm disabled, and also had disabled children (all grown now). I also had a faulty meter just below ceiling height. Because we were vulnerable and on the Priority Service Register, we weren't charged for it being moved, so it's definitely worth asking the question. Do they have a grant fund as many energy companies do now, I don't know if they may consider funding from that? Also customers from ANY supplier can apply to British Gas hardship fund, and they make payments of upto £1500.

Fingers crossed you manage to get it sorted.

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thailandorbust · 02/02/2023 09:58

I'm with octopus energy and arranged to have a smart meter installed so that I could see when/when I was using. The installer arrived (last week) and told me what he was going to do. My friend then happened to call and told me to tell him to stop! She explained what you've detailed here so I did ask him to stop and told him why. He did, without argument, thankfully. I'm grateful that my friend called at exactly the time he started work.

NocturnalClocks · 02/02/2023 10:18

thailandorbust · 02/02/2023 09:58

I'm with octopus energy and arranged to have a smart meter installed so that I could see when/when I was using. The installer arrived (last week) and told me what he was going to do. My friend then happened to call and told me to tell him to stop! She explained what you've detailed here so I did ask him to stop and told him why. He did, without argument, thankfully. I'm grateful that my friend called at exactly the time he started work.

That was lucky timing!

PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2023 10:25

The bit that's blowing my mind is that they're not actually installing the complete working system. They're deliberately omitting a key component – the card needed to put payment onto the system.

There's simply no reason for engineers not to bring this component along with all the other parts of the meter.

Instead they're departing the premises leaving a system that cannot work, regardless of money.

It's sadistic and inexcusable.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 02/02/2023 10:27

HeavenIsAHalfpipe · 01/02/2023 23:49

Thanks for this @OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet

And this is why HELL will freeze over before I will EVER have a smart meter. I have been nagged and goaded and bullied by my energy provider - British Gas - for about 5 years.. Letters, emails, texts, continually, at least one a month, with the title saying... 'it's time for your smart meter to be fitted' and 'YOU ARE DUE A SMART METER NOW' and 'BOOK YOUR APPOINTMENT NOW TO HAVE YOUR SMART METER FITTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

Basically making me feel I have no choice. I know I DO have a choice, and they can go fuck themselves. I will never EVER have a smart meter. No matter how much they nag, goad, and bully.

At least we now know why they want everyone to have them. So they have total control of your gas and electric, and can cut you off at the drop of a hat.

Nope. Ain't happening. Not having one. EVER!

This, this and this again. 100%

PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2023 10:42

And, how will this interact with the compulsory switch over of landline phones to VOIP, which needs electricity, by 2025?

commsrisk.com/uk-trial-suggests-customers-see-no-benefit-in-switch-from-pstn-to-voip/
Alice, a married woman in her late 50’s, had no expectations about the migration of her phone service, partly because her comms provider did not tell her much about it. Some documents were sent to her electronically but Alice did not know how to open them. Alice asked for them to be sent by post instead, but the comms provider refused on environmental grounds, which will sound implausible to the many Brits who tire of receiving incessant junk mail about changing their broadband provider. The engineer came at the promised time but only had 45 minutes to do a job which clearly required a lot longer, not least because he needed Alice’s husband to lug around furniture to make room for his work. He left a mess behind him but still had not connected the phone to the router, so told Alice and her husband that they needed to do that for themselves. As you might imagine, this led to some difficulties for a couple that are not yet confident with opening email attachments. A power cut left their home disconnected for a while afterwards

At the moment I can make a phone call during a power cut. As a disabled person dependent on an electric wheelchair to make it further than next door, my landline is my lifeline and its ability to work in a power cut is part of my survival planning.

Once my non-electric phone has been removed by the telecoms provider, installation of a prepayment meter would leave me unable to reach the outside world in order to buy credit to put on a card, even if I had one.

People like me will die from this. Not even because of lack of money, but because it's simply not a viable way of providing a reliable electricity supply to many disabled people.

PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2023 10:50

Fucking hell. Article which links from the Guardian article mentioned.

Fatal disconnection: how an elderly couple’s deaths shaped UK energy policy
The discovery of the bodies of Gertrude and George Bates at home in 2003 after their gas was cut off prompted new Ofgem supplier safety guidelines. But the dangers for vulnerable people remain
www.theguardian.com/money/2023/jan/14/fatal-disconnection-how-an-elderly-couples-deaths-shaped-uk-energy-policy

In October 2003, after forcing entry, police discovered the bodies of Gertrude Bates, 86, and her husband, George, 89, in the living room of the south London house they had shared for 64 years. George had died of hypothermia, while Gertrude, who had been a psychiatric patient for 20 years, had suffered a heart attack. They had been dead for some time before neighbours raised the alarm.

The shocking discovery came 13 weeks after British Gas had cut off the Bateses’ supply because of a £140.62 unpaid balance. The company was later criticised for failing to notify social services of the disconnection – it later cited data protection rules.

The couple’s estranged son, George Saxon, said his parents had not been struggling financially. Indeed, officers found £277 in cash on a table and £1,116 in a purse hidden in a shoe.

Yes, this is how we will die.

It's completely predictable. It has already happened; it will happen again. The Ofgem regs were brought in to stop people dying; breaking the regs will kill people.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/02/2023 10:58

PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2023 10:42

And, how will this interact with the compulsory switch over of landline phones to VOIP, which needs electricity, by 2025?

commsrisk.com/uk-trial-suggests-customers-see-no-benefit-in-switch-from-pstn-to-voip/
Alice, a married woman in her late 50’s, had no expectations about the migration of her phone service, partly because her comms provider did not tell her much about it. Some documents were sent to her electronically but Alice did not know how to open them. Alice asked for them to be sent by post instead, but the comms provider refused on environmental grounds, which will sound implausible to the many Brits who tire of receiving incessant junk mail about changing their broadband provider. The engineer came at the promised time but only had 45 minutes to do a job which clearly required a lot longer, not least because he needed Alice’s husband to lug around furniture to make room for his work. He left a mess behind him but still had not connected the phone to the router, so told Alice and her husband that they needed to do that for themselves. As you might imagine, this led to some difficulties for a couple that are not yet confident with opening email attachments. A power cut left their home disconnected for a while afterwards

At the moment I can make a phone call during a power cut. As a disabled person dependent on an electric wheelchair to make it further than next door, my landline is my lifeline and its ability to work in a power cut is part of my survival planning.

Once my non-electric phone has been removed by the telecoms provider, installation of a prepayment meter would leave me unable to reach the outside world in order to buy credit to put on a card, even if I had one.

People like me will die from this. Not even because of lack of money, but because it's simply not a viable way of providing a reliable electricity supply to many disabled people.

I totally understand, I'm bed bound so have the same problem. I try to ensure I have 2 power banks charged at all times, as Sky have already moved me on to VoIP. However, I live fairly rurally, and we seem to suffer more than our fair share of power cuts. When this has happened I've noticed I can also lose mobile reception, I don't know if it's anything to do with powering the mast? Whatever it is, it puts me at huge risk.

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LoveBluey · 02/02/2023 11:05

Octopus keep emailing me telling me my electricity meter is too old and needs replacing and it will be a smart meter because standard meters are no longer available. I just keep ignoring it as I absolutely do not want a smart meter. Interesting to hear that they do have old style meters so if they contact me again I'll request that.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/02/2023 11:06

PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2023 10:50

Fucking hell. Article which links from the Guardian article mentioned.

Fatal disconnection: how an elderly couple’s deaths shaped UK energy policy
The discovery of the bodies of Gertrude and George Bates at home in 2003 after their gas was cut off prompted new Ofgem supplier safety guidelines. But the dangers for vulnerable people remain
www.theguardian.com/money/2023/jan/14/fatal-disconnection-how-an-elderly-couples-deaths-shaped-uk-energy-policy

In October 2003, after forcing entry, police discovered the bodies of Gertrude Bates, 86, and her husband, George, 89, in the living room of the south London house they had shared for 64 years. George had died of hypothermia, while Gertrude, who had been a psychiatric patient for 20 years, had suffered a heart attack. They had been dead for some time before neighbours raised the alarm.

The shocking discovery came 13 weeks after British Gas had cut off the Bateses’ supply because of a £140.62 unpaid balance. The company was later criticised for failing to notify social services of the disconnection – it later cited data protection rules.

The couple’s estranged son, George Saxon, said his parents had not been struggling financially. Indeed, officers found £277 in cash on a table and £1,116 in a purse hidden in a shoe.

Yes, this is how we will die.

It's completely predictable. It has already happened; it will happen again. The Ofgem regs were brought in to stop people dying; breaking the regs will kill people.

I am so pleased the public at large seem to be being made aware of some of this behaviour at last. The vulnerable - and particularly the disabled - are forced to live in fear like this, and we're helpless to do anything about it. If it's not companies behaving like this, it's the DWP reassessing us every 5 minutes to see if limbs have regrown, or lifelong conditions have miraculously vanished.

The physical and mental toll this places upon someone can't be over emphasised. It's absolute hell trying to survive on the pathetic few crumbs we're thrown disguised as disability benefits, whilst trying to fight to survive against a regime that seems intent on harm, and not support.

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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/02/2023 11:09

LoveBluey · 02/02/2023 11:05

Octopus keep emailing me telling me my electricity meter is too old and needs replacing and it will be a smart meter because standard meters are no longer available. I just keep ignoring it as I absolutely do not want a smart meter. Interesting to hear that they do have old style meters so if they contact me again I'll request that.

They absolutely DO have standard meters available, they are even available to buy online, and are not prohibitively expensive! If they refuse to install one, call their bluff and tell them you will provide your own. 😂

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PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2023 11:15

Flowers OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet. It's awful, isn't it?

You're significantly more vulnerable than me, as I can at least make it to the pavement to sit there and wait for a helpful passing stranger (done this before). I really feel for you.

Any chance you could link to these meters one can buy oneself? I could do with this information (and possibly an actual meter) in my defence plan.

ReamsOfCheese · 02/02/2023 11:23

I just wanted to add to this thread for anyone who IS in this position and have been forced onto a meter and left without a top up card or without a top up key, phone the gas or electric company and insist that they give you the top up reference number. It's about 15 digits long and if you have it, you can get top up from a shop or, usually, top up online as this is the unique number that your card or key will have on it.

We were left with a prepayment meter without a top up key by SSE Airtricity for the 18 months we lived in one house a couple of years ago, from the moment we moved in until we moved out they just kept giving us total bullshit excuses about why they were unable to send us a top up key and they were quite happy to leave us without power and heating with a newborn.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/02/2023 11:25

PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2023 11:15

Flowers OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet. It's awful, isn't it?

You're significantly more vulnerable than me, as I can at least make it to the pavement to sit there and wait for a helpful passing stranger (done this before). I really feel for you.

Any chance you could link to these meters one can buy oneself? I could do with this information (and possibly an actual meter) in my defence plan.

I will see if I can find them again, it may take a little while!

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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/02/2023 11:27

ReamsOfCheese · 02/02/2023 11:23

I just wanted to add to this thread for anyone who IS in this position and have been forced onto a meter and left without a top up card or without a top up key, phone the gas or electric company and insist that they give you the top up reference number. It's about 15 digits long and if you have it, you can get top up from a shop or, usually, top up online as this is the unique number that your card or key will have on it.

We were left with a prepayment meter without a top up key by SSE Airtricity for the 18 months we lived in one house a couple of years ago, from the moment we moved in until we moved out they just kept giving us total bullshit excuses about why they were unable to send us a top up key and they were quite happy to leave us without power and heating with a newborn.

Bloody hell, that's barbaric! I'm speechless for once.

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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/02/2023 11:39

For @PerkingFaintly and anyone else interested, it turns out you can actually purchase your own gas or electricity credit meter, and have it installed yourself if your energy company refuse! I'm hoping that's useful for defeating the ever more persistent threats of smart meters. This company give advice, and can also provide meters and perform installations.

www.crownenergy.co.uk/faq/electricity-meter-faqs/#:~:text=You%20can%20legally%20install%20your,a%20dangerous%20procedure%20to%20undertake

This company sell standalone meters, both gas and electricity. Electricity under £50, gas from as little as £20. Obviously, you would need to obtain the relevant advice as to what would be appropriate for your property.

www.electricmetersales.co.uk/

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