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Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.

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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 01/02/2023 19:16

There's an article in todays Times by an investigative reporter, who went undercover with the company British Gas uses for debt collection and fitting prepayment meters. Many may not be able to see it as it's behind a paywall, but I'll try to explain.

The company in question, Arvato, are obtaining warrants and force fitting prepayment meters in the homes of vulnerable customers, which is illegal. Anyone with vulnerabilities should be assessed beforehand to ensure they're not placed at risk by "self disconnection", effectively when they are unable to top up tho meter due to financial constraints. But they're doing this daily, and not only apparently revelling in it, but also being paid bonuses for doing so. 😡

I'm sorry, this post is long, but I implore EVERYONE to read it. As a disabled person myself, who is bed bound and very vulnerable, this terrifies me. If I am disconnected I will die, no question. As human beings, however much money we have, this is behaviour that should deeply concern US ALL!! Please, please, please forward this to anyone you know, get it out there, it's so important people know how these energy companies who are "so" concerned about are are behaving. All whilst robbing us blind.

I'm going to post some of it here so you can judge for yourselves, but would encourage those with access to read the whole thing....

An undercover reporter worked for Arvato, a company used by British Gas to pursue debts, amid rocketing energy prices and more customers falling behind with their bills.

The reporter accompanied debt agents in below-freezing conditions as they worked with a locksmith to break into the home of a single father of three young children and switch it to a prepayment meter. If families with these gas meters cannot afford to top up, their heating is cut off.

On another occasion agents were sent by British Gas with a court warrant to force-fit a meter at the home of a young mother with a four-week-old baby. Her bills have risen sevenfold during the cost of living crisis.

According to job notes seen by The Times, other British Gas customers who have had prepayment meters fitted by force in recent weeks include a woman in her fifties described as “severe mental health bipolar”, a woman who “suffers with mobility problems and is partially sighted” and a mother whose “daughter is disabled and has a hoist and [an] electric wheelchair”.

Last month Centrica, the owner of British Gas, said it expects to report a more than sevenfold increase in net profits for last year after benefitting from volatile energy prices.

Last month Grant Shapps wrote to energy companies warning them to stop force-fitting prepayment meters, but the undercover reporter found that British Gas has continued.

Ofgem, the energy regulator, says that forcing customers onto prepayment meters under warrant should only ever be a last resort, and should never occur when customers are “in very vulnerable situations”.

The regulator says that vulnerability can include being of state pension age, having a disability, a mental health condition, being pregnant, or having children under five years old.

Debt collectors working for Arvato, on behalf of British Gas, are incentivised with bonuses when they force-fit prepayment meters, which can encourage them to ignore vulnerabilities.

One agent claimed single mothers were their most common customers, adding: “If every single mum that starts getting a bit teary you’re going to walk away from, you won’t be earning any bonus.”

British Gas agents have continued to remotely switch customers on smart meters to pay-as-you-go settings, despite its parent company saying this would be stopped during the winter.

A manager overseeing debt collectors for British Gas told of manipulating customers by saying the police would kick in their doors and search their homes if they did not comply.

An agent enforcing warrants for British Gas said of his colleagues: “If they go in and they see an elderly lady, they’ll be like, ‘oh an easy job for me.’ ”

When out undercover with a team, the gas engineer got to work, switching the family to a pay-as-you-go smart meter which will cut off their heating if it is not topped up. He explains that a technical issue means the family may well not be sent a top-up card for their new meter. “He won’t be sent a card so he’s going to go off supply,” he says. “It’ll be £10 emergency and then that’s it, he’ll go off supply.” When we entered the home, the radiators were warm. When we leave, they are cold.

During my interview for the role, the Arvato debt collection manager was dismissive about customers claiming to be too vulnerable to have top up meters. “People say all sorts of shit,” he told me. “You’ll hear every excuse you’ve ever heard in life about why they haven’t paid this bill.”

I asked about customers who were over 65, or those with young children at home. “The five year old has got nothing to do with it,” he said, “It wouldn’t stop you.”

The manager also offered tips about how to get into people’s homes without a fight, including threatening that the police would smash in their doors. “I’m not going to break into your house if your wife and kids are there. But what I’m going to try to do is talk your wife into letting me into the house,” he explained.

Before starting as a debt collector, I had four days of video training. Describing the warrant process, the Arvato trainer said: “Honestly, it’s a little bit cheeky. Basically the government says you can’t disconnect residential customers so what we do is we install a prepayment meter and then if they don’t top up they self-disconnect. So we don’t actually disconnect them. It’s a bit of a laughable loophole.”

Asked by one of the new recruits whether we would stop force-fitting a meter on the day in exceptional circumstances, the trainer said: “That person could tell you that their entire family of 50 were in a horrific aeroplane crash and were the sole survivor and we’d still be saying that’s a shame but we are changing your meter.”

In one property, Alfonso did not seem fazed by signs that children were living in the home. Speaking into his phone, he said: “For the benefit of the call recording, no one inside the property, dog has been contained by a dog handler, no risks, no vulnerabilities on site.”

One agent who refused to disconnect a mother with young children, claimed other agents had broken in through people’s windows and stolen from customers. “You have other warrant officers that will just do everything, do absolutely everything,” he said. “If they go in and, it’s a bad thing to say, but they go in and they see like an elderly lady, they’ll be like, oh an easy job for me.”

Centrica announced on January 18 that it was stopping a practice called “remote switches”, or “mode changes”. This involves remotely switching customers with smart meters to pay-as-you-go settings when they are struggling to pay their bills.

The following day I watched one of the debt agents still doing this, by calling a British Gas call centre. The British Gas call operator said: “That’s all done. Mode change has been requested. Any time today the meter will be changed to a pay-as-you-go.”

During my time working for Arvato, I learnt that the agents’ bonuses incentivised them to force-fit meters. When we successfully force-fitted a meter, the agent earned two bonus points, worth almost £4 per job. When the agent I shadowed walked away from the young mother’s home, he only received one bonus point, worth less than £2. The culture was target driven. Agents were scored on their results and sent league tables showing how they were performing compared with others across the country.

During one lunch break with the other debt agents, Alfonso described his experience of the culture in this industry.

“As long as you don’t do anything silly you won’t get in trouble,” he said. “You’ll have to literally like murder someone in this job to get in trouble. You won’t get in trouble.”

[Title edited by MNHQ to correct typo]

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PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2023 11:51

@OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet that's amazing! Thank you so much!

I had no idea one could pay to have it done privately.

Given the level of cost and suffering that the utility companies are inflicting by their utter incompetence and inability to give the smallest of fucks about consequences, this could even be cheaper as well as better for some people.

PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2023 11:55

Have bookmarked both of those.

From the Crown one:

Why would an electricity meter be removed?
An electricity meter would only be removed if it’s being replaced due to a malfunction, it’s being upgraded to a newer model or the building is being demolished and the energy provider wishes to reuse the meter elsewhere. It is very rare for an electricity meter to be removed for non-payment as the energy supplier will always try to find an alternative method of payment.

If you have a smart meter and would like it to be removed, your energy supplier may charge you to make the switch to a conventional meter, but this is down to the discretion of the energy company.
www.crownenergy.co.uk/faq/electricity-meter-faqs/#removed

Mypoorbody · 02/02/2023 11:57

I rent and am fortunate enough to afford utilities. I’m going to resist a smart meter. Not only my circumstances may change but I don’t want a future tenant to suffer and I’m sure it’s really hard to take out.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/02/2023 12:04

Mypoorbody · 02/02/2023 11:57

I rent and am fortunate enough to afford utilities. I’m going to resist a smart meter. Not only my circumstances may change but I don’t want a future tenant to suffer and I’m sure it’s really hard to take out.

That's really thoughtful to a future tenant. Even when I was able bodied and in a very good job with good credit, I could not get a prepayment meter removed for love nor money. Due to living rurally, it was impossible to deal with (no topping up at night in a hamlet with 12 houses and a phone box!), so ended up moving a year later. I'm sure there's many others who've been forced to do the same.

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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/02/2023 12:07

PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2023 11:51

@OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet that's amazing! Thank you so much!

I had no idea one could pay to have it done privately.

Given the level of cost and suffering that the utility companies are inflicting by their utter incompetence and inability to give the smallest of fucks about consequences, this could even be cheaper as well as better for some people.

I've also added the details to the Cost of Living board, am hoping it may help a few people there.

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Orangesandlemons77 · 02/02/2023 12:21

Yes I saw this today on the front page of the Times, really awful and shocking.

cupofdecaf · 02/02/2023 13:24

British Gas are the worst. They keep putting our DD up. We ring them and say you can't justify that and after a lot of pushing they put it back down. Then it goes back up again.
We have a lot of data on our energy usage as we track our solar panels and heat pump. We have special technology installed to use our solar energy as economically as possible.
We predicted our last 3 months usage and were £10 out.
Can't change providers though because of where we live we can't have a second generation smart meter and are stuff with the first generation one that means we can't move provider and also get paid for the energy we put back into the grid. So looking forward to leaving them and not paying another penny to such a horrific company.

LoveBluey · 02/02/2023 15:53

@OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet thank you so much, I will insist Octopus replace like for like rather than a smart meter.
In fairness this is my only complaint about them, otherwise they've been great.

medianewbie · 02/02/2023 16:26

@OOnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet
I just had a call from 'Provider'. Scottish Power have instructed them to attend next Tuesday to fit TWO Smart meters. I explained that, no, just 1 electric meter to be checked only. They said there will be a cancellation fee & to 'sort it with SP'. I'm on a 2 wks pathway for a breat issue (just found GP letter not yet sent...). I could do without another 60m wait to get through to SP. Grrrr.

medianewbie · 02/02/2023 16:45

@OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet
Just scrolled back to see your post about meters. Maybe I could get them changed myself ??? (not keen on smartmeters - rural with patchy mobile so don't expect they'd be reliable anyway). And, YES to your 11.06 post about the DWP. With bells on :(

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/02/2023 18:13

medianewbie · 02/02/2023 16:45

@OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet
Just scrolled back to see your post about meters. Maybe I could get them changed myself ??? (not keen on smartmeters - rural with patchy mobile so don't expect they'd be reliable anyway). And, YES to your 11.06 post about the DWP. With bells on :(

Yes, you can absolutely do this, perfectly within your rights. I have a friend who highly recommended the first company I listed above.

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Appleabananasandpears · 02/02/2023 18:17

Thank you so much for posting this OP. I had heard about it on the news but reading about it is a different level altogether. This makes me so angry, some of the worst human behaviour and if it hadn’t been for The Times it would have continued. All customers over the years must now surely have the right to approach an ombudsman, these companies have more than enough money to pay out. I’m so so disgusted.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 02/02/2023 18:23

None of it surprises me, but it is still shit that they can treat people this way.

thailandorbust · 02/02/2023 18:35

@NocturnalClocks yes. I knew nothing of this and thought I was doing something to benefit me, knowing what I was using/spending.
I answered the phone and told her that a guy was here fitting a smart meter and she started shouting 'tell him to stop, don't bloody get a smart meter' and went on to explain why. If she hadn't have called, I'd have one.
I had her on loud speaker as I was talking to the installer and explaining why I no longer wanted one. So she was essentially talking to him (she knew the facts, I didn't). He was fine about it.
What these energy companies are doing is dreadful.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/02/2023 21:44

For anyone who has been unable to read the full article, here is an free archived version, no paywall.

archive.ph/NliNw

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lemmein · 02/02/2023 21:59

I seen this on sky news earlier - one of the installers said 'I love this bit' about intimidating a customer to allow them access. It's sickening.

I hate what this country has become, I really do - zero compassion anymore Sad

Thanks for sharing OP.

Theskyoutsideisblue · 03/02/2023 06:49

Heard this on radio 2 yesterday. One of them was gloating. Scum.

MargotMoon · 03/02/2023 07:02

The twist in this tale is that the warrants are not for fitting prepayment meters.

They are for disconnection, but energy companies use them to fit prepayment meters.

The law which is used to issue the warrant is from the 1950s, before PPMs were even invented.

To disconnect totally is rare, but they are rarely challenged in court and issued in bulk, sometimes thousands being rubber-stamped by Magistrates in just a few minutes because nobody attends the hearing.

If they did, they should argue that a warrant 'to fit a PPM' is non-existent and argue that if the court then issued a warrant solely to disconnect their energy supply it would be against the Human Rights Act.

Ofgem has told suppliers to halt a process which they shouldn't even be doing in the first place, and have never dealt with this because they are toothless and care more about energy company profits than basic human rights.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 03/02/2023 10:02

MargotMoon · 03/02/2023 07:02

The twist in this tale is that the warrants are not for fitting prepayment meters.

They are for disconnection, but energy companies use them to fit prepayment meters.

The law which is used to issue the warrant is from the 1950s, before PPMs were even invented.

To disconnect totally is rare, but they are rarely challenged in court and issued in bulk, sometimes thousands being rubber-stamped by Magistrates in just a few minutes because nobody attends the hearing.

If they did, they should argue that a warrant 'to fit a PPM' is non-existent and argue that if the court then issued a warrant solely to disconnect their energy supply it would be against the Human Rights Act.

Ofgem has told suppliers to halt a process which they shouldn't even be doing in the first place, and have never dealt with this because they are toothless and care more about energy company profits than basic human rights.

I used to be a credit manager, and have sat in on one of these hearings out of curiosity.

Prior to applying for the warrant, the energy company is legally required to risk assess any vulnerable households to ensure it wouldn't be dangerous for them to "self disconnect" in the event they can't afford to top up. Legally they are not allowed to disconnect or force fit prepayment on the disabled, but they do it.

In the hearing I attended, there were over a thousand warrants applied for. The magistrate mumbled "any vulnerabilities?", other party said "no". Over a thousand issued in minutes with the stroke of a pen.

This needs to be reviewed by magistrates so it's done on a case by case basis. Also, any household at risk of this should be told by law when a warrant hearing is, so they can appeal it. Currently, it seems people aren't informed and have no redress.

Just for the record, meters used to ONLY be prepayment. Anyone around my age or older will remember "feeding the meter" with coins. When credit meters were introduced, one of the reasons for prepay being more expensive was you were covering the cost of the "meter man" to come and empty the meter and count the coins at your kitchen table, I remember this well as a kid! In this day of digital top ups, it's high time charges were made consistent, and a social tariff introduced.

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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 03/02/2023 22:53

This one is so shocking, it's appalling.

British Gas broke into a ladies home to force fit a prepayment meter whilst she wasn't home, but her daughter was. The 14 year old girl had men walk into her bedroom and wander around upstairs.

The girl was screaming, and called her mum, who asked why they were in her daughters bedroom. Even if fitting a meter, these are usually downstairs.

The worst bit of this is that they broke in, but this ladies meters were actually on the wall outside the property.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/teenage-girl-left-terrified-british-26144645?utm_source=app

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buildingourdreams · 03/02/2023 23:00

😱😱😱at this whole thread

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 04/02/2023 11:33

Bumping this, everyone needs to see it.

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xogossipgirlxo · 04/02/2023 11:44

All this thing is such a disgrace.

Soothsayer1 · 04/02/2023 11:52

British gas, good old trustworthy British gas, they are almost like auntie BBC, until we look a bit more closely and see that they are outsourcing their dirty work.
And this is VERY dirty work deliberately targeting and bullying the vulnerable.
Turns out 'British Gas' is code for the British arm of the Cosa nostra☹️
Interesting to see the reprehensible lengths that they will go to if they think they can get away with it....

Soothsayer1 · 04/02/2023 11:54

Actually I think I was doing the mafia a disservice there, they do at least have some kind of code of honour ...unlike British gas

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