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Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.

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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 01/02/2023 19:16

There's an article in todays Times by an investigative reporter, who went undercover with the company British Gas uses for debt collection and fitting prepayment meters. Many may not be able to see it as it's behind a paywall, but I'll try to explain.

The company in question, Arvato, are obtaining warrants and force fitting prepayment meters in the homes of vulnerable customers, which is illegal. Anyone with vulnerabilities should be assessed beforehand to ensure they're not placed at risk by "self disconnection", effectively when they are unable to top up tho meter due to financial constraints. But they're doing this daily, and not only apparently revelling in it, but also being paid bonuses for doing so. 😡

I'm sorry, this post is long, but I implore EVERYONE to read it. As a disabled person myself, who is bed bound and very vulnerable, this terrifies me. If I am disconnected I will die, no question. As human beings, however much money we have, this is behaviour that should deeply concern US ALL!! Please, please, please forward this to anyone you know, get it out there, it's so important people know how these energy companies who are "so" concerned about are are behaving. All whilst robbing us blind.

I'm going to post some of it here so you can judge for yourselves, but would encourage those with access to read the whole thing....

An undercover reporter worked for Arvato, a company used by British Gas to pursue debts, amid rocketing energy prices and more customers falling behind with their bills.

The reporter accompanied debt agents in below-freezing conditions as they worked with a locksmith to break into the home of a single father of three young children and switch it to a prepayment meter. If families with these gas meters cannot afford to top up, their heating is cut off.

On another occasion agents were sent by British Gas with a court warrant to force-fit a meter at the home of a young mother with a four-week-old baby. Her bills have risen sevenfold during the cost of living crisis.

According to job notes seen by The Times, other British Gas customers who have had prepayment meters fitted by force in recent weeks include a woman in her fifties described as “severe mental health bipolar”, a woman who “suffers with mobility problems and is partially sighted” and a mother whose “daughter is disabled and has a hoist and [an] electric wheelchair”.

Last month Centrica, the owner of British Gas, said it expects to report a more than sevenfold increase in net profits for last year after benefitting from volatile energy prices.

Last month Grant Shapps wrote to energy companies warning them to stop force-fitting prepayment meters, but the undercover reporter found that British Gas has continued.

Ofgem, the energy regulator, says that forcing customers onto prepayment meters under warrant should only ever be a last resort, and should never occur when customers are “in very vulnerable situations”.

The regulator says that vulnerability can include being of state pension age, having a disability, a mental health condition, being pregnant, or having children under five years old.

Debt collectors working for Arvato, on behalf of British Gas, are incentivised with bonuses when they force-fit prepayment meters, which can encourage them to ignore vulnerabilities.

One agent claimed single mothers were their most common customers, adding: “If every single mum that starts getting a bit teary you’re going to walk away from, you won’t be earning any bonus.”

British Gas agents have continued to remotely switch customers on smart meters to pay-as-you-go settings, despite its parent company saying this would be stopped during the winter.

A manager overseeing debt collectors for British Gas told of manipulating customers by saying the police would kick in their doors and search their homes if they did not comply.

An agent enforcing warrants for British Gas said of his colleagues: “If they go in and they see an elderly lady, they’ll be like, ‘oh an easy job for me.’ ”

When out undercover with a team, the gas engineer got to work, switching the family to a pay-as-you-go smart meter which will cut off their heating if it is not topped up. He explains that a technical issue means the family may well not be sent a top-up card for their new meter. “He won’t be sent a card so he’s going to go off supply,” he says. “It’ll be £10 emergency and then that’s it, he’ll go off supply.” When we entered the home, the radiators were warm. When we leave, they are cold.

During my interview for the role, the Arvato debt collection manager was dismissive about customers claiming to be too vulnerable to have top up meters. “People say all sorts of shit,” he told me. “You’ll hear every excuse you’ve ever heard in life about why they haven’t paid this bill.”

I asked about customers who were over 65, or those with young children at home. “The five year old has got nothing to do with it,” he said, “It wouldn’t stop you.”

The manager also offered tips about how to get into people’s homes without a fight, including threatening that the police would smash in their doors. “I’m not going to break into your house if your wife and kids are there. But what I’m going to try to do is talk your wife into letting me into the house,” he explained.

Before starting as a debt collector, I had four days of video training. Describing the warrant process, the Arvato trainer said: “Honestly, it’s a little bit cheeky. Basically the government says you can’t disconnect residential customers so what we do is we install a prepayment meter and then if they don’t top up they self-disconnect. So we don’t actually disconnect them. It’s a bit of a laughable loophole.”

Asked by one of the new recruits whether we would stop force-fitting a meter on the day in exceptional circumstances, the trainer said: “That person could tell you that their entire family of 50 were in a horrific aeroplane crash and were the sole survivor and we’d still be saying that’s a shame but we are changing your meter.”

In one property, Alfonso did not seem fazed by signs that children were living in the home. Speaking into his phone, he said: “For the benefit of the call recording, no one inside the property, dog has been contained by a dog handler, no risks, no vulnerabilities on site.”

One agent who refused to disconnect a mother with young children, claimed other agents had broken in through people’s windows and stolen from customers. “You have other warrant officers that will just do everything, do absolutely everything,” he said. “If they go in and, it’s a bad thing to say, but they go in and they see like an elderly lady, they’ll be like, oh an easy job for me.”

Centrica announced on January 18 that it was stopping a practice called “remote switches”, or “mode changes”. This involves remotely switching customers with smart meters to pay-as-you-go settings when they are struggling to pay their bills.

The following day I watched one of the debt agents still doing this, by calling a British Gas call centre. The British Gas call operator said: “That’s all done. Mode change has been requested. Any time today the meter will be changed to a pay-as-you-go.”

During my time working for Arvato, I learnt that the agents’ bonuses incentivised them to force-fit meters. When we successfully force-fitted a meter, the agent earned two bonus points, worth almost £4 per job. When the agent I shadowed walked away from the young mother’s home, he only received one bonus point, worth less than £2. The culture was target driven. Agents were scored on their results and sent league tables showing how they were performing compared with others across the country.

During one lunch break with the other debt agents, Alfonso described his experience of the culture in this industry.

“As long as you don’t do anything silly you won’t get in trouble,” he said. “You’ll have to literally like murder someone in this job to get in trouble. You won’t get in trouble.”

[Title edited by MNHQ to correct typo]

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xogossipgirlxo · 04/02/2023 12:12

Centrica boss is obviously "very sorry". Sure 🙄

Soothsayer1 · 04/02/2023 12:17

xogossipgirlxo · 04/02/2023 12:12

Centrica boss is obviously "very sorry". Sure 🙄

He's very sorry 🙏
(that they got found out)
he's learnt his lesson ☝🏻
(and will be much more careful to cover tracks and make sure no one finds out in future)

xogossipgirlxo · 04/02/2023 12:35

Soothsayer1 · 04/02/2023 12:17

He's very sorry 🙏
(that they got found out)
he's learnt his lesson ☝🏻
(and will be much more careful to cover tracks and make sure no one finds out in future)

Exactly! Greediness at its best.

Soothsayer1 · 04/02/2023 12:43

However nice and respectable the face they will do whatever they think they can get away with to make money

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 04/02/2023 14:07

It just gets worse and worse.

A further report yesterday from Paul Morgan-Bentley at the Times, detailing how debt collectors at Arvato boast of leaving families without gas or electricity. If for some reason they have been unable to fit a prepayment meter, they have been disconnected instead. This is never meant to happen to ANY domestic household between October and March, and is illegal for tied disabled.

Please remember, the outrage regarding British Gas force fitting these prepayment meters isn't about them pursuing normal able bodied people who just refuse to pay. It's about British Gas obtaining magistrates warrants by deception and breaking into the homes of the vulnerable. It has been illegal since 2018 to either force fit a prepayment meter, or disconnect the supply, in the home of a disabled person.

As the article is in the Times and therefore behind a paywall, I've copied it below for you.

Debt collectors working for British Gas have admitted to completely disconnecting heating or electricity on families when they have been unable to fit a prepayment meter, The Times can reveal.

A manager for Arvato Financial Solutions, a firm that collects debts for British Gas, told an undercover reporter that pay-as-you-go meters could not be installed at some homes so agents should cut people off entirely. “We were pushing them [British Gas] and saying grow a pair of balls and just f*ing disconnect these people because they will stop doing it. And now with British Gas, we’ll disconnect them,” he said.

While energy suppliers are technically allowed to disconnect residential customers, the practice is meant to be very rare, with customers instead forced on to prepayment meters. Most energy companies only routinely disconnect commercial properties because of debts.

The debt collection manager, who said he had previously been employed directly by British Gas, also described using underhand tactics to help staff pass tests meant to ensure they were checking for customer vulnerabilities.

The findings have been passed to Ofgem, the energy regulator, which yesterday announced legal action against British Gas in light of the Times investigation.

British Gas has been banned from breaking into homes and force-fitting prepayment meters until it can prove that it is complying with all its legal obligations. All other big energy companies have agreed to suspend the practice as well.

There are growing calls for a government review and legal change to ban the practice and protect vulnerable customers.

A Times reporter worked undercover for Arvato last month, collecting debt on behalf of energy firms. British Gas was found to be routinely sending debt collectors to break into homes and force-fit prepayment meters even when customers were known to be extremely vulnerable. The reporter was among teams sent to force-fit meters at the homes of a 77-year-old man, a single father with three children and a mother with a four-week-old baby.

Job notes from across the country showed that families forced on to pay-as-you-go meters in recent weeks included a woman in her fifties with “severe mental health bipolar” and another described as living alone with a heart condition.

During the reporter’s interview for the role, an Arvato manager said that British Gas fully disconnected supplies to some residential properties after obtaining warrants from courts. These were for homes where the energy supply was larger than usual, for instance in big houses. The larger supply made it impossible to fit a prepayment meter, he said.

When the reporter asked, “What about the heating?”, the Arvato manager said: “It’s not your responsibility. British Gas have risk-assessed that and they are happy,” adding: “You do it a lot.”

The Arvato manager said that the supplier only started disconnecting these families in recent years, and that each visit had to be pre-approved by a senior staff member at British Gas. “We’ve been doing that for about five or six years now — the disconnection visits on domestic. Never used to touch them,” he said.

Alfonso, one of the Arvato debt collectors, later described doing this at the home of a customer who had been obstructive to the team. “Because the gas meter was outside the engineer said, ‘Do you know what, I’m just going to cap it. I’m going to fit a cap.’ ” The reporter asked what being “capped” meant, and Alfonso replied: “It’s blocked. They’re disconnected. They can’t use it.”

In light of the Times investigation there have been growing calls for legal change to protect vulnerable customers long term.

Caroline Flint, a government adviser on fuel poverty, said that ministers should conduct a review into whether the practice of forcibly installing prepayment meters “should happen at all”.

Flint, a former Labour MP who is now chairwoman of the government-sponsored fuel poverty committee, told BBC Radio 4’s Today: “Energy companies have been given the benefit of the doubt on this for too long.”

Grant Shapps, the business and energy secretary, summoned British Gas to an urgent meeting this week. He said: “It is frankly abhorrent for a company which styles itself as ‘British Gas’ to be so callous and cruel to customers. There is nothing British about that.”

The undercover reporter learnt that Arvato debt collectors recorded parts of each visit to customer homes. Two recordings a month were then scored by an assessor to make sure they were asking important questions on a script about customer vulnerability and their ability to pay.

He was told that he should ensure that he had run through the full script on at least two occasions a month and then send details of these specific visits to his manager, so that those ones could be put forward for assessment.

The Arvato manager said: “We have to quality score how you talk to customers. Are you providing the support that we are contracted and British Gas are licensed to offer? If you go to someone and you feel like I’ve covered off everything, you can screenshot the job and say QA [quality assurance] that please. That’s what I want you to do because it’s more likely you’re going to pass.”

Jonathan Brearley, chief executive of Ofgem, said it had ordered “immediate action to protect British Gas’s customers” and that he would not hesitate to take “the strongest action in our powers”.

Ofgem said that suppliers must not disconnect for debt unless they have taken all reasonable steps to recover charges via other means. Suppliers must never disconnect any domestic properties in winter for debt if the customers are of pensionable age or live with children who are under 18.

In an interview with The Times last year Chris O’Shea, the chief executive of Centrica, which owns British Gas, boasted of his everyman credentials (Charlotte Wace writes).

Wearing a hoodie featuring the quote “Why be racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic when you could just be quiet?”, he told the journalist: “I shop in the clearance rail at TK Maxx and I shop in charity shops sometimes. That’s just me.”

This week he became the face of a scandal after this newspaper revealed that debt agents forced their way into the homes of people struggling to pay their bills on behalf of his company.

Responding to the investigation, O’Shea was effusive in his contrition. “I am really, really sorry,” he told Sky News. “We’ve clearly got it wrong here and we are going to fix that.”

(I removed several paragraphs here re Chris O’Shea history which isn't really relevant.)

Last year, he said he knew of the pain that Ofgem, the energy regulator, raising the cap on gas and electricity bills for most people would cause households across the country.

“Every week we hear from customers struggling to make ends meet — whether filling up the car, doing the weekly shop or finding the money to heat their home,” he said in a press release, as he announced that his company was putting another £2 million into the British Gas energy support fund.

This week, he did not attempt to justify the actions of debt collectors working on behalf of British Gas who had expressed excitement at installing prepayment meters in the homes of people who could not pay their bills, including the vulnerable.

“The contractor that we’ve employed, Arvato, has let us down but I am accountable for this,” he said.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today, he said: “This happened when people were acting on behalf of British Gas. There is nothing that can be said to excuse it.”

Arvato Financial Solutions has said that it acted “compliantly at all times in accordance with the regulatory requirements”.

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Soothsayer1 · 04/02/2023 14:23

British Gas should be renamed British Gestapo

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 04/02/2023 15:00

Soothsayer1 · 04/02/2023 14:23

British Gas should be renamed British Gestapo

Ironically Arvato, the collection company they use, happen to be German.

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gamerchick · 04/02/2023 15:10

I get that it's barbaric but I don't understand why it's just hitting the news now? Forcing pre paid meters has gone on for decades. I've sat in friends houses where they've had them fitted and no they aren't very nice about it either.
Why now? Is it because they're not leaving top up keys?

gamerchick · 04/02/2023 15:12

Even when I was a kid the neighbours would knock needing 50p for the meters. It's not a new thing.

Clymene · 04/02/2023 15:19

gamerchick · 04/02/2023 15:10

I get that it's barbaric but I don't understand why it's just hitting the news now? Forcing pre paid meters has gone on for decades. I've sat in friends houses where they've had them fitted and no they aren't very nice about it either.
Why now? Is it because they're not leaving top up keys?

It has been illegal since 2018 to either force fit a prepayment meter, or disconnect the supply, in the home of a disabled person.

Because it's illegal

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 04/02/2023 15:47

gamerchick · 04/02/2023 15:10

I get that it's barbaric but I don't understand why it's just hitting the news now? Forcing pre paid meters has gone on for decades. I've sat in friends houses where they've had them fitted and no they aren't very nice about it either.
Why now? Is it because they're not leaving top up keys?

It's because they're force fitting them on vulnerable people.

Anyone vulnerable, ie. pensioner, young children, very Peter financial problems, Loki term health issues or disability, are encouraged to be added to energy companies Priority Services Register. This makes them legally bound to risk assess any vulnerable households before even applying to court for a warrant, to establish what effect it would have if they had neither the means nor capacity to top up the meter. They are not doing this.

It was made illegal to force fit prepayment meters in certain vulnerable homes in 2018, including the disabled. Energy companies present lists of hundreds or thousands of addresses to magistrates at a time, but are not admitting to magistrates when asked whether these people have vulnerabilities. Without this information, the magistrate approves large batches of warrants in minutes. As these warrants have been obtained by deception, they cannot be legal.

Many disabled people (myself included), rely on powered equipment to stay alive. If prepay meters are forced upon us and we cannot either afford to top them up, or cannot access top ups due to mobility etc, we can die. This is why the practice was made illegal. This "batch signing" must be stopped, and each application considered individually on it's merits, with the customer having been informed of the hearing date.

Also, when energy suppliers apply for entry warrants, they do not inform the customer. It would make a huge difference if customers knew a warrant was being applied for, and then they could at least attend to prevent it. At the moment all anyone knows about a warrant being issued is when they're drilling your locks, or you come home to find they've broken in whilst you've been at work.

There are no safeguards for vulnerable people at all in the current system. These companies think they are above the law, so the required assessments are very rarely carried out.

It's been really good to see that one magistrate is actually resigned regarding the warrant issue, I've (hopefully) attached the article.

Also, I wanted to add this isn't about the small group of people who will always try to shirk paying their bills, everyone agrees this action is appropriate and legal in these circumstances, as long as they are not classed as vulnerable of course. It's about the increasingly high proportion of vulnerable households who simply CANNOT pay, either because their high energy use is essential, their income won't cover it, or both.

This also sharply brings back into focus the problem of disability benefits. The seriously disabled have had their income slashed in real terms for many years, and the amount received now is pitiful, inhuman and an embarrassment. With having to often eat special diets, and pay for our own care costs, often the only thing that can give is energy, we just have no choice.

I paid a huge amount into the system when I was working, I'm no shirker. Why should I be forced to live in abject poverty, with zero quality of life now? You were happy enough to take my contribution, now I want the support I should be getting. Not stuck in my bed waiting for someone to put the door through, or the next DWP letter that tells me I can go back to work as they think my lifetime conditions have vanished.

Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.
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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 04/02/2023 15:48

*very severe financial problems, not Peter!!

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RobinStrike · 04/02/2023 19:23

Remember this thread about SSE putting in a prepayment meter and not removing the debt from the previous house owners?
Not sure what happened, but it sounds very similar to British Gas

Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.
AuntieEntity · 04/02/2023 22:25

These tweets from the author John Niven really highlight the awfulness of it all.

Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.
Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.
Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.
AuntieEntity · 04/02/2023 22:26

Following on...

Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.
Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.
Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.
AuntieEntity · 04/02/2023 22:27

And the final blow.

Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.
Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.
Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.
Joshitai · 04/02/2023 22:31

Why are we blaming the energy companies or debt collectors?

The courts are the ones issuing the warrants giving the energy companies and the debt collectors the legal right to install prepayment metres.

This is on the government via the courts. They shouldn’t be approving any warrants that affect vulnerable households.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 04/02/2023 23:01

Joshitai · 04/02/2023 22:31

Why are we blaming the energy companies or debt collectors?

The courts are the ones issuing the warrants giving the energy companies and the debt collectors the legal right to install prepayment metres.

This is on the government via the courts. They shouldn’t be approving any warrants that affect vulnerable households.

Because energy companies are misleading magistrates. They can no longer can examine individual cases, they're issued batches of applications for these warrants in thousands, just as a list of addresses.

The energy company have a legal duty to conduct a risk assessment on vulnerable households BEFORE applying to the courts for warrants, but this is rarely done. Magistrates are then left in the invidious position of having to trust the energy companies when they state none of the households are vulnerable. Energy companies are effectively obtaining warrants by deception.

One magistrate already resigned recently because of this.

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OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 04/02/2023 23:03

AuntieEntity · 04/02/2023 22:25

These tweets from the author John Niven really highlight the awfulness of it all.

I was reading his thread on Twitter earlier @AuntieEntity , you could feel his pain. I feel so sad for him.

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Joshitai · 04/02/2023 23:12

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 04/02/2023 23:01

Because energy companies are misleading magistrates. They can no longer can examine individual cases, they're issued batches of applications for these warrants in thousands, just as a list of addresses.

The energy company have a legal duty to conduct a risk assessment on vulnerable households BEFORE applying to the courts for warrants, but this is rarely done. Magistrates are then left in the invidious position of having to trust the energy companies when they state none of the households are vulnerable. Energy companies are effectively obtaining warrants by deception.

One magistrate already resigned recently because of this.

That’s not what was reported in your screen shot. It states that the courts are not asking any questions or doing any due diligence. The list of names and addresses are submitted to the courts- it would take a court clerk a few hours to bump the list against the DWP benefits database and see if anyone on the list is in receipt of low income and/or disability benefits. Magistrates are NEVER in the position of having to take anyone’s word on trust.

The energy companies don’t know which customers in debt are on low income and/or disability benefits. But the courts do. They have access to the DWP databases. I know this from going to tribunal for my PIP.

The fact is the government courts are not doing their due diligence and in true Tory fashion shifting the blame.

Ive re-attached your screenshot regarding the magistrate who resigned in protest. He resigned because the courts were rubber stamping, not because of deception.

Debt collectors being paid bonuses by British Gas when force fitting prepayment meters.
OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 05/02/2023 07:06

I am also on PIP, and this has nothing to do with databases.

Any household with vulnerabilities is entitled to be added to the Priority Service Register with their energy supplier. They have a legal duty to risk assess anyone on the register prior to issuing warrants, and as it's their register clearly they know who is on it. This is not happening. They are then presenting these lists to magistrates with no further information.

I have said this before, but I'll explain again. Prior to being ill I was a credit manager, and have sat in on one of these hearings, before lists were sent over the phone, which is often what happens now. On that day, there were over a thousand warrants applied for in a batch. The only check that was undertaken was the magistrate uttering under his breath "any vulnerabilities?", "no" was the reply.

When so many are applied for at once, it can't be easy for magistrates to conduct due diligence on each and every case, it would take weeks at best. Even prior to the current court backlogs, this is obviously prohibitive. They very much rely on the honesty and candour of the energy supplier, which as we can clearly see from what has been going on, is dubious to say the least. Therefore, my statement of obtaining warrants by deception is true.

I will also be open and state I had had a conversation with Robin Cantrill-Fenwick over DM on Twitter, and he concurs energy suppliers are being far from honest with the courts, and believes the whole system needs revising from the ground up.

One thing which would really help is to make it obligatory to notify customers that any such hearing is going to take place, and give them or their representative the right to attend either in person or digitally, in order they may present evidence of vulnerability and object to any warrant being issued. Currently, the customer knows nothing until their door is being put through. I have now had to suffer the indignity and terror or this three times, all whilst being bedridden.

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AuntieEntity · 05/02/2023 09:30

@OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet Yes, it was a powerful read. His poor brother. We've lost all empathy I think.

Joshitai · 05/02/2023 09:36

Well, since you have now explained you have inside information and have sat in these hearings, I will have to accede to your real life experience.

FWIW, I didn’t even know the Priority Services Register even existed and I’ve been fully disabled, unable to work since 2012 and on high daily living PIP and standard mobility PIP. No social worker or HCP has ever mentioned it to me. The £150 energy payment I got went direct to me, so my energy company has no idea I am disabled. So thank you, as I have googled the register and will now sign up.

Similar to you, I had a life before being disabled, and I do know that it would not take courts weeks to check names and addresses for vulnerable people anymore than it would take energy companies weeks if they do use this Priority Services Register. The DWP is more likely to know everyone who is vulnerable than the energy company as they pay the low income, disability and child benefits. The priority services register is also a database btw, and all databases are easily searchable and only one clerk in a few hours can check a list even thousands of names long because you don’t have to check each name manually.

Even if the energy companies were taking everyone on the priority services register off their warrant lists, then people like me who had never been told of its existence and are vulnerable would still be on their warrant lists and they’d not be deliberately deceptive by saying no vulnerabilities.

I’m not saying there is no deception, I’m saying that given what you’ve witnessed and disclosed, it appears to me there is both the courts not doing due diligence and the companies also being dishonest.

Joshitai · 05/02/2023 09:38

Sorry…I did not intend to bold that sentence. I had a by register and then a to explain the register is also a database in the style of a footnote, I should have used some other symbol….

gamerchick · 05/02/2023 09:57

Also, when energy suppliers apply for entry warrants, they do not inform the customer. It would make a huge difference if customers knew a warrant was being applied for, and then they could at least attend to prevent it. At the moment all anyone knows about a warrant being issued is when they're drilling your locks, or you come home to find they've broken in whilst you've been at work

If I wasn't paying for my energy, then it's common sense to expect the energy company to act and fit a meter. It wouldn't come as a huge surprise surely?

I get that it's unfair but we all have to pay for gas and electric, we're not going to be given it for free just because we can't pay for it.

Pre payment meters will become obsolete anyway when everyone's got a smart meter, can just be switched to pre pay remotely.

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