I agree with the benefit cuts for promoting

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I am on disability and universal credit and I don’t work (which will change when I get the support to some part time work, and I have been in contact with a disability charity). I get points for a physical disability and a cognitive disability. I do have severe mental health issues which I am working on but I don’t claim for it.
So I can see that currently you can score 2 points across a number of categories for needing prompting. And I can see how that relates to mental health, and if you score enough you would then get the full amount of the care component, with the full mobility component if you say you need to have someone with you for your mental health condition (I agree they need someone with them but they shouldn’t be able to use that money to pay for a mobility car in my opinion if they aren’t physically or cognitively disabled) For neurodivergence you would get more than two points as it comes with executive functioning difficulties that have an impact for the majority of the time, harm to yourself and others, so you could argue you're needing supervision and things take longer like for example in processing and tiredness.
if a family and their children are claiming full pip and DLA and associated benefits because they need prompting to do tasks (sorry if I’ve got this wrong and it’s not possible) and are getting thousands for it all combined then I agree that’s so wrong and needs to stop. And I could also see how that allows the family to spend that money on lots of nice things.
people with more expensive disabilities are getting the same rates with more significant costs. I have had to make do with two pairs of leggings from the factory shop that have split apart at the seams and can’t be repaired because of the quality, and I have just been gifted money to buy better quality leggings.
If I am wrong about how I feel towards those that are on full pip for needing prompting, I wouldn’t mind being corrected

It’s like the deserving and undeserving poor from the 1834 poor law. Now we have the deserving and undeserving disabled - awful. Come on op, you can do better than turn it into a dog fight amongst the most vulnerable.

Since you now realise how your "research" has affected some people, then can I suggest that you ask MNHQ to delete the thread. Many of the things you have said were highly offensive, the thread has no relevance to anything now, and is simply fuelling some posters attacking others on principle rather than facts. It's not helping anyone, and it perhaps better that it disappears.

@PhilippaGeorgiou
“then chooses to attack other people with disabilities”
I have been referring to a particular character that the media portray (whether they exist or not is currently unknown, but unlikely) who lie about being disabled. I’m not referring to anyone who has a disability. This thread is not about attacking someone with a disability.
Your entire narrative for what I have been doing is misleading. You are wasting everyone’s time including your own for arguing for the sake of arguing.

But you will need to work full time, how will you live of a part time wage with no benefits. Do you feel you can work a 40/50 hour week. I work part time and it kills me i can't work full time but can't afford to pay bills with wages alone

Feel free to report me. I haven’t been rude to you or offensive. I do think the posts that were deleted constituted attacks on OP, that’s why I reported them. You are obviously welcome to have a different opinion, but I think it’s highly disingenuous considering that MNHQ generally is not quick to delete posts. I don’t see how I can be “lying” when I am simply stating my own personal opinion.

I am working with a charity who may or may not be able to help me. I honestly don’t know what I’ll do if that doesn’t work out. I am in pain for most of the time. And the skills that I do have like sewing dont pay very well at all.

That is not remotely what you said. You have repeatedly said that people who need prompting do not deserve to have PIP because there is nothing much wrong with them. This was not a theoretical debate about some fictional character. It was about real people. The evidence lies in your posts. I honestly thought that you had seen how you had hurt and offended people and regretted it, but now it appears that I misjudged you on that, and now you want to rewrite history when what you said is on this thread.

What time I choose to "waste" is your opinion and entirely irrelevant to me - I have never considered championing the vulnerable and excluded to be a waste of my time, even if you clearly do. If more people did it, then you might not be facing losing your benefits along with many others whose futures are at risk.

You are being very disingenuous.

On other threads you have spoken about people you know lying to get an autism diagnosis.

I don't really know what you are trying to achieve with these threads.

The people out there who think disability benefit claimants are scroungers won't be excluding you from that accusation. They will see you as part of the problem, especially given your young age.

I felt sorry for you on your other thread, the one you were worried about losing benefits.

I don’t feel sorry for you anymore. I think being forced to work will be beneficial for you. You’ll no longer have the time to sit being influenced by ‘the media’, you’ll see what the real world is like, what’s it’s like to earn your own money instead of taking from others.
I think you’re exactly the type of young person the government plans to target.

@PandoraSox “On other threads you have spoken about people you know lying to get an autism diagnosis.”
I know of one person, not people, who I do volunteer work with that told me they believed they were autistic but would not get diagnosed unless it was severe. So they felt the need to put in an act, which partly involved acting as if they didn’t understand what was being said to them to look stupid. Which I found offensive as an autistic person.
“The people out there who think disability benefit claimants are scroungers won't be excluding you from that accusation. They will see you as part of the problem, especially given your young age.”
sometimes, people who don’t know me take me at face value and don’t believe that I’m autistic or have the struggles that I do because they don’t see them. So I do know why people think the way they do about someone like me

@PhilippaGeorgiou
”You have repeatedly said that people who need prompting do not deserve to have PIP because there is nothing much wrong with them.”
That’s if, in black and white terms, prompting and claiming to be a bit anxious is the only reason that they get full pip, with no other issues and information to be given. which is what is being portrayed in the media. I’m not referring to someone with a disability.
”This was not a theoretical debate about some fictional character.
It’s a debate about characters that are being portrayed in the media - IF they exist
“It was about real people.”
If real people are claiming pip and they don’t have a disability, they shouldn’t have any way of claiming.
“I honestly thought that you had seen how you had hurt and offended people and regretted it”
I never intended to hurt or offend people, and it pains me to see that I have. I was acknowledging that the character the media portray most likely doesn’t exist.
“and now you want to rewrite history when what you said is on this thread.”
what you think I intended to say and what I said are two different things
“I have never considered championing the vulnerable and excluded to be a waste of my time”
neither do I, but that’s not what you’re doing

I think you continuing to pick on certain posters trying to insist that they've been bullying the op is worse. What are you getting out of hectoring people like this?

I mean... You kept accusing me and others of threatening her when it's blatantly obvious i did nothing of the sort. I'm curious as to what your actions towards other disabled posters say about you?

If you have a problem with my opinion, feel free to report my posts. I don’t agree that challenging others who have been attacking the OP in very specific (and my view, highly inappropriate) ways is picking on them. Love that you call my posts “hectoring” and yet seem to have no issue with the pile on against OP /s

Because the media are known for telling the truth

You really are attacking those of us with disabilities. Given the amount of evidence you need, how really do you think people with no disability get pip? The governments own figures suggest the fraud level virtually 0

Because the media are known for telling the truth

You really are attacking those of us with disabilities. Given the amount of evidence you need, how really do you think people with no disability get pip? The governments own figures suggest the fraud level virtually 0

FYI, the term is wheelchair user, not wheelchair bound. 👍

Thank you I knew that but forgot on this occasion.

We shall have to agree to disagree that she's been piled on, or that we shouldn't debate disabled people especially when they post on a discussion forum inviting a debate. That's a little infantalising isn't it?

Can't help but notice you've had a post deleted yourself now.

@TigerRag
”You really are attacking those of us with disabilities. ”
no but I can understand why my thread fed the narrative that those people exist which threatens people with real disabilities which is what I was apologising for

Fair enough, but MNHQ have a deeply bizarre record of deleting my posts so I’m not going to get worked up about it! It was probably reported by multiple people who are annoyed. I once had a post deleted for saying someone was lucky to have children and I was sad that I couldn’t (due to my disability). I hope that summary is not overly offensive, but maybe it is and this one will be deleted too! I can’t pretend to understand how they make their decisions about which of my posts to delete

Tbh in this case I can’t even remember what I said in the post I had deleted! I’m not going to waste time talking to MNHQ about it because I know they make poor decisions on occasion. I’ve already raised this with them in the past.

Depression can’t be cured, it can be managed with medication and therapy. Just like Lupus can’t be cured, it can be managed with medication and therapies.

My daughter has a physical disability and an unrelated (much “milder”) mental health disability. I have just asked her which she would rather not have, which is easiest to manage at school and out in the community, she is absolutely clear that her physical disability is far easier to deal with. She can’t walk unaided, she is a part time wheelchair user so her physical disability is a major issue day to day. When it comes to getting a job, she is far more likely to struggle in the workplace, need time off, need help and support with her mental disability than she will with her physical disability.

You need to stop looking at mental health issues as a short term thing that people can just overcome. They are as debilitating as a physical disability and can be just as costly to have.

(In fairness I am autistic so it’s always possible I expressed myself badly, but I sincerely believe MNHQ has a systemic bias against autistic posters.)

Your autism is preventing you from seeing how your posts could be offensive. It effects me too

Yes their moderation decisions often are bizarre especially when it comes to threads about disability - but can you not see how other people on this very thread might have also had similar strange moderation decisions made over deleting their posts?

You've repeatedly used the deleted posts as evidence of an ableist pile on. Some of them might have been, but some of them might not. I didn't see most of them before they got deleted. Exactly as you've just said, posts being deleted on Mumsnet isn't evidence of anything - i saw your post and didn't see anything delete worthy on it, but should people now jump to the conclusion that you posted a heinous personal attack simply because you had a post deleted?