I agree with the benefit cuts for promoting

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I am on disability and universal credit and I don’t work (which will change when I get the support to some part time work, and I have been in contact with a disability charity). I get points for a physical disability and a cognitive disability. I do have severe mental health issues which I am working on but I don’t claim for it.
So I can see that currently you can score 2 points across a number of categories for needing prompting. And I can see how that relates to mental health, and if you score enough you would then get the full amount of the care component, with the full mobility component if you say you need to have someone with you for your mental health condition (I agree they need someone with them but they shouldn’t be able to use that money to pay for a mobility car in my opinion if they aren’t physically or cognitively disabled) For neurodivergence you would get more than two points as it comes with executive functioning difficulties that have an impact for the majority of the time, harm to yourself and others, so you could argue you're needing supervision and things take longer like for example in processing and tiredness.
if a family and their children are claiming full pip and DLA and associated benefits because they need prompting to do tasks (sorry if I’ve got this wrong and it’s not possible) and are getting thousands for it all combined then I agree that’s so wrong and needs to stop. And I could also see how that allows the family to spend that money on lots of nice things.
people with more expensive disabilities are getting the same rates with more significant costs. I have had to make do with two pairs of leggings from the factory shop that have split apart at the seams and can’t be repaired because of the quality, and I have just been gifted money to buy better quality leggings.
If I am wrong about how I feel towards those that are on full pip for needing prompting, I wouldn’t mind being corrected

Can I suggest that you try research then, instead of continuing these awful statements like "I’ve created the thread to gather views on why people with mental health conditions should be getting the same as someone with a disability." Mental ill health IS a disability. You havee been told this and told this, and you still insist on using the most awful language about real people. Just stop now. Get some insight on some of the many informative sites about mental ill health instead of keep repeatng that mental iull health isn't a disability and people don't deserve their hard won benefits. People have literally DIED because their benefits were stopped by people with your attitude. It isn't the job of people here to educate you. It is your responsibility to educate yourself.

Well said@PhilippaGeorgiou. I agree. Disabled people should not be disparaging each other like this. These proposed cuts are going to affect those with physical, as well as mental health disabilities.

I’m not using this thread as an opportunity to state that certain people don’t deserve benefits. I explained that I have formed my opinions based on the information that I had at the point of starting the thread, from the media - Which a lot of people across the country see. I’m not stating that my opinion is correct, I’ve said I’m open to gathering more information and views and changing my mind.

If you have severe mental health problems you can claim for that, it's not anyone else's fault you choose not to, and disabled people bashing other disabled people, with different disabilities to their own, is just awful

you’ve got valid points. Without meaning to come across as condescending, I assume you also have poor mental health if you can’t restrain yourself from name calling etc (I’m not going to take it personally and will excuse it)
I wasn’t referring to things like bipolar schizophrenia, I consider those to be a disability.

You were categorically unclear. That you had some criteria for what mental health conditions constitute a disability- it would be great to elaborate on what does and doesn’t constitute one.

I have to assume that the OP is deliberately continuing to use very offensive language and to display appalling attitudes towards people with disabilities, because nobody could possibly be so stupid. The OP says "I’m not using this thread as an opportunity to state that certain people don’t deserve benefits." but the first post literally says that!

I would suggest we are wasting our time and this is just another in the daily routine of goady posts bashing people with disabilities.

I’m saying that it was my opinion based on the information I had at the point of starting the thread - and I was specifically referring to the characters that the media portray, assuming they exist. I didn’t state that my opinion is correct, I said I’m open to views, information and changing my mind

I have full mobility but don’t drive
I use on walking aids, Taxi’s amongst a myriad of other things
I also receive enhanced daily living

Well what conditions are you referring to? It is not clear at all what you are getting at.

So do I deserve my PIP? Anxiety, depression, psychosis, OCD, autistic.
But no diagnosis of schizophrenia or bipolar or personality disorder.
Am I worthy?

I know you have an agenda, but in my opinion yes I believe you are as autism is a developmental disorder, effects cognitive abilities, comes with co morbid conditions that effect the stomach and joints, I could go on, and it also can’t be cured

so what exactly do you think people are getting pip for that they shouldn’t be?

You started a thread the other day stating that you believe some people fake autism in order to be diagnosed and receive benefits.
Now this thread where you believe those with a mental illness or people that may need prompting, are not actually disabled and shouldn’t receive benefits.

What do you get out of posting such offensive crap and upsetting people?

Will you still be in favour of the welfare cuts when they decide you're not disabled enough and take away your benefits?

Why is it that it's often disabled people who are the most ableist towards others? What makes you deserving and other people not?

That’s your interpretation. there are lots of conditions with over lapping symptoms to autism, and vast numbers of people will agree that autism is most likely being over diagnosed, with everyone knowing of someone with autism. but that’s a whole conversation and debate in itself. Twisting my words isn’t doing anyone any favours, and sadly you have an agenda to make me look evil.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, my opinions based on the information I had at the point of starting the thread, the information being the characters that the media portray. And if they exist, then that’s shocking and it should be stopped.

Its not an interpretation, its fact. Anyone can search and find your previous threads where you’ve openly stated that you believe some people fake autism. No need to twist your words.

So, what is it that you are getting from these threads? You’ve had a lot of negative feedback on the posts, there must be something that’s driving you to continue to cause offence and upset.

Benefits shouldn’t be available to those who don’t have severe mental illnesses. Severe mental illnesses like bipolar and schizophrenia should be entitled.
those who just claim they need prompting to do tasks and need someone with them (easily fakeable, and assuming they don’t have other issues) can still claim full pip. It doesn’t come with expensive costs.

Maybe the OP can present her thoughts to the DWP. No doubt they will be totally uninterested! I am going to do something more interesting than reading the OP's sad agenda. Don't let their ramblings upset you!

“Now this thread where you believe those with a mental illness or people that may need prompting, are not actually disabled and shouldn’t receive benefits.”
I didn’t state that. according to the media, people can claim they need prompting to do tasks and someone with them when out, prompting gives them two points, and across each category that gives them enough points to claim full pip. According to the media, this can be exaggerated, and faked, and people could be taking advantage. they will get the same amount as someone with a disability which I don’t think is acceptable, and able to spend it on nice things, whilst people with disabilities don’t have that money spare and need to use that money for things like care costs. If they do have mental health issues, depending on the mental health condition, It could also mean that their mental health condition is being enabled when they receive that money.
And I don’t think that’s acceptable - and that opinion is based on the information I have got from the media, that I had at the point of starting the thread. And I am open to information about whether or not these people exist - and I am ONLY referring to them when I say that I agree they need to be kicked off pip. People with mental disabilities should not.

Please do tell us which mental illness you think constitutes as “severe”.

Is there a certain number of suicide attempts one has to have for example ?

How many jobs does one have to loose though time off sick for anxiety ?

If someone with depression is able to leave the house for therapy do they automatically loose it ?

Is there a set number of medications one has to be on to keep them from throwing themself off a bridge ? Is three ok but not two ?

You know, when someone expresses an opinion on disability that you disagree with, threatening them and attacking them by saying “you’re going to get your benefits taken away” is actually really nasty and doesn’t make you seem like the good person you apparently think you are.

Some people on MN who are disabled become absolutely furious and vitriolic if you disagree with their stance on how benefits should be administered. It’s not everyone, though! Some of us see your point and broadly agree with you. I think there is a widespread reluctance to acknowledge that benefits must be strictly gatekept if they are to paid long term because the taxpayer has to consent at a societal level. If this doesn’t happen we risk losing the welfare system for everyone.

I don’t want to upset anyone