I agree with the benefit cuts for promoting

[Canaryhead]

I am on disability and universal credit and I don’t work (which will change when I get the support to some part time work, and I have been in contact with a disability charity). I get points for a physical disability and a cognitive disability. I do have severe mental health issues which I am working on but I don’t claim for it.
So I can see that currently you can score 2 points across a number of categories for needing prompting. And I can see how that relates to mental health, and if you score enough you would then get the full amount of the care component, with the full mobility component if you say you need to have someone with you for your mental health condition (I agree they need someone with them but they shouldn’t be able to use that money to pay for a mobility car in my opinion if they aren’t physically or cognitively disabled) For neurodivergence you would get more than two points as it comes with executive functioning difficulties that have an impact for the majority of the time, harm to yourself and others, so you could argue you're needing supervision and things take longer like for example in processing and tiredness.
if a family and their children are claiming full pip and DLA and associated benefits because they need prompting to do tasks (sorry if I’ve got this wrong and it’s not possible) and are getting thousands for it all combined then I agree that’s so wrong and needs to stop. And I could also see how that allows the family to spend that money on lots of nice things.
people with more expensive disabilities are getting the same rates with more significant costs. I have had to make do with two pairs of leggings from the factory shop that have split apart at the seams and can’t be repaired because of the quality, and I have just been gifted money to buy better quality leggings.
If I am wrong about how I feel towards those that are on full pip for needing prompting, I wouldn’t mind being corrected

It’s incredibly low to threaten another disabled person like this. Do you really believe you have the moral high ground here?

Notable that multiple comments are deleted for the attacks on OP.

Honestly everyone, it is just not worth arguing with certain posters.

Sadly there are some disabled people who think there are "deserving" and "undeserving" disabilities. It is especially sad to see at a time when disabled people need to stand together.

Yet another thread to hide. I think I am up to nearly 30 disability benefit bashing threads on my hide list, all from the last couple of week.

I feel that if you are disabled by your mental health condition then you could argue you would get more points than just promoting for example being unsafe and a danger to yourself or others. You could say you need someone out with you because you may lose control of yourself or not know how to get about on your own because of your disability, which is a valid reason to claim.
I suspect that those who simply claim that they need prompting and someone with them when out because they feel anxious with literally no other issues don’t have significant enough needs and could be lying about being disabled by their condition.

Mental health conditions are a disability in many cases. Of course there is a spectrum of difficulties but some are severely impaired and may have lifelong conditions or several periods of being severely unwell and needing hospital with periods of wellness inbetween.

If they are disabled by their condition, then they are deserving.
taking away the 2 point prompting criteria will reduce people faking and exaggerating because people who are disabled by their mental health and are a danger to themselves and others will score more points.

I have bipolar and EUPD. I also work. Mainly because I was diagnosed after being with my company a decade and they've been fantastic, compressed hours, allowing me to go part time and a fixed schedule. I have had quite a bit of time off while we got my medication settled. And I doubt anyone else would employ me with my attendance record.

However with the new rules I won't qualify for PIP. Now I qualify for the standard care amount but I score 2 points on a few categories and not 4 points on any one category.

I use my PIP to fund private therapy as the NHS waiting lists are ridiculously long. This enables me to stay in work. When the rules change I'll probably lose my PIP and so the therapy sessions will have to go. But my conditions aren't likely to change. I just won't be "disabled enough"

I haven’t seen the full criteria changes, I just agree with the removal of the prompting criteria. I think you should be entitled to full pip and maybe depending on what the criteria changes are could argue that you are unsafe

It will also mean someone who cannot wash themselves below the waist and needs their food cut up and uses an appliance to help with toileting needs and needs help with therapy for less than 3.5 hours per week would lose their benefit as these are all 2 point scores and not 4 point scores.

If you don't understand the proposed changes you need to go and read the green paper before starting threads like this.

I don’t agree with that change, I just agree with removing the prompting criteria because from what I have heard it’s too open to abuse and I believe if you’re disabled by your condition you could argue for more points in the other areas like by saying that you are unsafe

That is not what I said. I pointed out that when you allow vulnerable out groups to be attacked - as the OP is doing - it doesn't make you safe. It makes you next in line. Ask Pastor Niemoller about that.

We already have people dying because of the way disability benefits are managed, and the OP would really like to say that they are the only person really entitled to what they claim. They are calling people with mental illnesses frauds and liars, they are saying mental illness can be cured (the medical profession will be lining up to hear how that is done, since they can't yet do it), and basically saying they don't deserve their benefits because they aren't like the OP - who is claiming disability and unemployment benefits, That is a really dangerous position to sit in, because "they" are coming for both of those things.

I have no skin in the game. I am disabled yes. It is incurable and severe. I am as safe as safe gets. I'll also probably be dead before it's my turn. I have also worked my entire life and paid taxes to support people who couldn't - including the OP. But I have this thing that the OP lacks. It's called empathy and sympathy. Which is why I am not advocating taking away the benefits of people who I openly admit I don't even know anything about - also unlike the OP.

All I can gain from this thread is that @Canaryhead has no idea regarding mental illness and mental health issues.

What? Lucky you for just being physically disabled?

What a load of disgusting tripe.

No you don’t you just need to score 12 across both parts - I have a mobility car and only got 4 in moving around.

You have heard.

And what is this incredible source ? I assume it is from a peer reviewed study ?

Physically I'm capable of things. Mentally I'm not able to do these things reliably or always safely. So all my points come from prompting. I definitely don't qualify for full PIP. What I get I believe I'm entitled to. But I wouldn't qualify as all under the new rules

I'm not threatening anyone. I don't have the power to take her benefits away and it's baffling that you think I'm threatening her. Such a strange comment.

I think disabled people who gatekeep other disabled people should be challenged. I'm disabled as well. I work and don't claim any benefits, although i could claim pip. But i couldn't give any less of a crap what other people claim or don't claim. It's really none of my business and it's none of the op's business if someone else needs benefits. She's come out with multiple ableist comments on this thread, yet you think I'm the one who is out of line.

She might think she's safe. She's not. The government are coming after welfare and I'm not really sure why she's convinced that she's still going to remain entitled to what she is currently getting.

I have a question. Let's see what the answer is. The OP is now graciously happy to tell certain people that she believes they should get benefits, whilst others shouldn't.

So OP...
Please list your disabilities and the reasons that you receive benefits and why you should be entitled to them
Then please explain why you aren't working and why the rest of us should continue to pay for you to laze around on our taxes.

You've been fast to judge everyone else. Fairs fair - why the hell are we supporting you to sit around posting this crap on Mumsnet when you should be working?

I have empathy towards those with disabilities.
I believe the prompting criteria which currently allows people to get full pip is open to abuse.
someone who simply says they need prompting and someone with them as they feel anxious could be lying, and those issues could be over come.
if someone who needs prompting is disabled by their mental health condition they could argue for more points like being a danger to themselves or others or their cognitive abilities shutting down and then not being able to get about. So simply getting points for prompting and nothing else is wrong.

I have empathy towards those with disabilities.

Do you? Where?

Answer my questions. Why are you deserving? I am one of the people paying for you to get your benefits. Anyone can fake anything. What makes you deserve support?

Your points shouldn’t just come from prompting though. You haven’t been given the right points. Prompting is about being asked/reminded/persuaded to do something.
if you can’t do something safely and reliably and repeatedly most of the time, then you should get the points that say you can’t do it at all. Like if someone can’t walk most of the time for example because they are in pain and tired. It would be ridiculous to say that they need persuading to walk when they are in pain.

Well I can tell you that I don’t get points for prompting which is the only thing I am referring to that I believe needs to be cut because it’s open to abuse but if you score points in other areas those areas are disabling and can’t be taken advantage of.

You still haven’t said what conditions and circumstances should be allowed PIP.

Or what makes YOU so deserving of it compared to everyone else.

People can lie and say they are in pain when they aren’t. It’s very difficult to prove otherwise. People can lie and say they can’t walk too.

There's no trying to reason with some people.

Ignorance isn't a disability. Thankfully.