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What welfare cuts do you think Sunak is about to announce in budget?

176 replies

caringcarer · 07/01/2024 15:06

It's been reported that Richi Sunak said there will be tax cuts in the budget before the election and then more after the election so people who work hard will gain more and the government will curb spending on welfare. So, what welfare cuts do you think he is planning? I wonder whether he will reduce the triple lock on pensions to a double lock. Will he make single parents with DC over 7 work more hours to get UC top up. So maybe make them work 20 or even 25 hours. Do you think the £300 CoL payments will stop, as inflation is now much lower? I'm not advocating for these cuts just curious to what they could be. Can anyone think of others they might implement? Also which tax cuts could he be thinking of introducing? Threshold going up from £12,500 to £13k or inheritance tax go up a bit?

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keylemon · 08/01/2024 07:44

Cutting welfare for disabled claimers would be definitely awful. However, spending 17 million so far on the police force for the Pro-Palestine marches is money we do not have. Why are we allowing these ongoing marches? Maybe time the organisers and attendees pay to from their pocket.

Babyroobs · 08/01/2024 08:27

Nowordsformethanks · 08/01/2024 01:16

I really think LCWRA should be for people who can't work at all. I don't understand how they have LCW and LCWRA, yet allow those on the latter to still work.

Yes I know it's "limited" capability but surely if you could work at all, even if it's 2 hrs a week, that is literally LCW (limited capability for work), not the 'and work related activities' bit (RA). You are literally doing 'work related activities' by working at all.

I think the reason so many started wanting to be put on LCWRA (and trying to find ways to qualify for it) was because they took away the monetary aspect of LCW. Who wants to be on LCW if they can't get extra benefit for it while also being slightly pressured to work but not as much or as often as other uc claimants who work?

So I think the govt should reinstate benefit payment for LCW and move anyone on LCWRA who can work at all to that category, without any pressure from uc to do anymore than they can (That's a big one which affects mental health too). This should help people feel more free to do the work that they can and not try to claim that they can't at all.

That would free a lot of space for those on LCWRA who can't work at all and either save the govt some money or remain the same as it costs now to have too many people on LCWRA who really don't need to be. They shouldn't be in the same category and it's screwing the numbers of those who truly can't work.

Agreed. A nd the process of re-assessments is such a shambles at the moment with people going months, sometimes years past re-assessment dates without being assessed because the system is so overwhelmed. At least with the old ESA system you had to report that you had returned to work and it had to be approved. Now on Uc it seems like anyone can start work and still receive LCWRA ( and the benefits that go with that ) and still not be re-assessed as to whether the situation has changed for months and months after going back to work. I think once you reach the point where you can work a certain number of hours for a period of time it should be stopped but sort of dormant so that if health deteriorates again it can be easily re-started without going through the whole assessment procedure again. I do accept that many conditions will be fluctuating and flare up meaning some people have periods of time where they can work and then are off sick again.

user1477391263 · 08/01/2024 09:20

spanishviola · 07/01/2024 23:59

Why are you banging on about the triple lock? Pensions aren’t benefits in any case.

Pensions absolutely are a benefit in the UK. They are funded by those currently working.

It is not like the system you have in places like Singapore (I think) where you are required by law to pay in a defined contribution each month and then have a pot of your own that grows over time.

Boomer55 · 08/01/2024 09:33

anothernamechangeagainsndagain · 07/01/2024 22:38

I can see them making harder to get disability benefits if you could do some work even if it's not the job you once did - an acquaintance (father of a friend of my kids) hasn't work since the 90's because of a workplace injury, then he got a lifetime award - except he could work, just not on a building site, this sort of thing needs to stop.

DLA and PIP are paid to many working people. They are not an “out of work” benefit.

One rights worker on the radio yesterday was saying that it's probably going to be a case of looking at the huge upswing in DLA claims for children and those claiming because of mental health.

Who knows?

Catsknowbest · 08/01/2024 09:52

TerrysOrangeScot · 07/01/2024 20:47

It terrifies me every time they mention disability and benefit changes as a parent of a pre teen who will never work a day in their life. The hoops you jump through for DLA is already hard and PiP is meant to be harder, we have moved to the new Scottish child disability system and I wonder if they change the English system will Scotland have to follow suit?

Surely we go after those not paying tax that cost the government more than those claiming welfare.

Believe me you are much better off under the Scottish system!

Catsknowbest · 08/01/2024 09:56

NCagain0 · 07/01/2024 22:24

NC for this.
Unpopular opinion but I think the gov are right look at disability benefits and for clarity I have a DC who is awarded DLA for multiple disabilities.

I am unable to claim carers or uc due to joint earnings.

However, I see those that do and realise just how much you are entitled to a month (dla, carers, housing benefit, uc, disabled child element and then also gov grants ) - it is more than I am paid working as much as I can whilst caring for DC.

Honestly, I know who the idiot is and that's me! It pays more to claim than to work.

So do you provide care for your DC? There are many who have to provide the level of care that means they cannot go out to work. Also seems there are 2 parents in your household? Many disabled children only have one available parent. What are your suggestions for them..?

aSwarmOfMidgies · 08/01/2024 10:02

The "welfare" he should change is the indirect welfare given to businesses whose workers need UC to top up miserly salaries

If the business can't operate at a living wages then it's being supported by my taxes

Nowordsformethanks · 08/01/2024 10:08

Potentialmadcatlady · 08/01/2024 07:24

Do you know of any jobs going that will take on a disabled person for 2/4/8 hours a week? Because I don’t and believe me I have looked… or jobs that will take on adults with kids with sen who need term time/school hour jobs who allow them to take time off for hospital appts…
Its all very well talking about people doing some work but how do they get these jobs?

You misunderstood. I didn't say people should do some work or be made to. I said those who can (and have a job) and are able/happy to. Which means if you can't work either because of disability or unable to find what would suit your disability or caring needs, then LCWRA but if you can and have a job (a lot do and want to), then LCW.

I also said LCW should come with no pressure to find work or keep a job. It's simply based on ability to do work no matter how small and that ability is determined by the claimant and their condition, not uc. If they can't any longer they can get re-assessed into LCWRA.

Nowordsformethanks · 08/01/2024 10:10

Babyroobs · 08/01/2024 08:27

Agreed. A nd the process of re-assessments is such a shambles at the moment with people going months, sometimes years past re-assessment dates without being assessed because the system is so overwhelmed. At least with the old ESA system you had to report that you had returned to work and it had to be approved. Now on Uc it seems like anyone can start work and still receive LCWRA ( and the benefits that go with that ) and still not be re-assessed as to whether the situation has changed for months and months after going back to work. I think once you reach the point where you can work a certain number of hours for a period of time it should be stopped but sort of dormant so that if health deteriorates again it can be easily re-started without going through the whole assessment procedure again. I do accept that many conditions will be fluctuating and flare up meaning some people have periods of time where they can work and then are off sick again.

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Yes, this.

TeaWithASplashOfMilk · 08/01/2024 10:13

aSwarmOfMidgies · 08/01/2024 10:02

The "welfare" he should change is the indirect welfare given to businesses whose workers need UC to top up miserly salaries

If the business can't operate at a living wages then it's being supported by my taxes

Absolutely this.

Iwasafool · 08/01/2024 10:16

Chewbecca · 07/01/2024 22:12

Oh well, that’s alright then.

Well it happened. Are we only allowed if we are supporting one view? Sorry if it bursts someone's bubble that women did have opportunities in the 70s. Once I got my qualifications I made sure the people I was managing got the same chances. At one point all the clerical staff in my team were attending courses. Maybe you'd be happier if that hadn't happened.

AnotherAllotment · 08/01/2024 10:58

If they cut income tax I hope they look at raising the personal allowance amount rather than just 1p off the basic rate etc.

I'd like to see that go up in line with inflation and keep in line with it - much like the pension triple lock. It should be around £15k by now.

It would mean the biggest % cut to those who most need it.

caringcarer · 08/01/2024 11:35

keylemon · 08/01/2024 07:44

Cutting welfare for disabled claimers would be definitely awful. However, spending 17 million so far on the police force for the Pro-Palestine marches is money we do not have. Why are we allowing these ongoing marches? Maybe time the organisers and attendees pay to from their pocket.

I think organisers of marches should pay to fund the extra police work. This is what football clubs have to do.

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caringcarer · 08/01/2024 11:39

aSwarmOfMidgies · 08/01/2024 10:02

The "welfare" he should change is the indirect welfare given to businesses whose workers need UC to top up miserly salaries

If the business can't operate at a living wages then it's being supported by my taxes

I agree with this but I did hear that minimum wage was going up I think it was £1.02 from April. I think it needs to move up more but that's a decent start.

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Chewbecca · 08/01/2024 11:40

Iwasafool · 08/01/2024 10:16

Well it happened. Are we only allowed if we are supporting one view? Sorry if it bursts someone's bubble that women did have opportunities in the 70s. Once I got my qualifications I made sure the people I was managing got the same chances. At one point all the clerical staff in my team were attending courses. Maybe you'd be happier if that hadn't happened.

That's nice that you had equal opportunities in the 70s, well done. But does that really mean you can ignore the millions of other women in their 60s who did not experience equality of expectation and opportunity with their male counterparts in the workplace (as there is today)?
What an 'I'm alright Jack' mentality you have.

MattDamon · 08/01/2024 12:08

One of the reasons claims for LCW/LCWRA are currently so high is that there were basically no reassessments done during Covid. Claimants that were given awards before 2020 are still claiming 3 years later without any checks having been done.

The DWP doesn't have the staff (with or without contractors) to carry them all out. It's going to take years and years to sort out this mess.

Oldsu · 08/01/2024 13:15

Iwasafool · 08/01/2024 10:16

Well it happened. Are we only allowed if we are supporting one view? Sorry if it bursts someone's bubble that women did have opportunities in the 70s. Once I got my qualifications I made sure the people I was managing got the same chances. At one point all the clerical staff in my team were attending courses. Maybe you'd be happier if that hadn't happened.

@Iwasafool But it did not happen for 1000s of women did it? have a look at this this is not a VIEW but cold hard facts, I too had a private pension from an early age but this not about you or me its about the other women who did not can you imagine THIS being said to married women now? Even in 1966 an official enquiry by industrialists and trade unionists decided that the preservation of women's occupational pensions on marriage was unnecessary.
The ‘scandal’ of women’s pensions in Britain: how did it come about? | History and Policy

The ‘scandal’ of women’s pensions in Britain: how did it come about?

https://www.historyandpolicy.org/policy-papers/papers/the-scandal-of-womens-pensions-in-britain-how-did-it-come-about

Babyroobs · 08/01/2024 17:13

MattDamon · 08/01/2024 12:08

One of the reasons claims for LCW/LCWRA are currently so high is that there were basically no reassessments done during Covid. Claimants that were given awards before 2020 are still claiming 3 years later without any checks having been done.

The DWP doesn't have the staff (with or without contractors) to carry them all out. It's going to take years and years to sort out this mess.

Yes exactly. So many people not been re-assessed for year who just carry on getting that extra £400 a month and often the work allowance too meaning they can get up to an extra £600 disregarded from their wages that they wouldn't otherwise. It's crazy, so many other things carried on during covid but re-assessments couldn't ? I also have clients whose PIP re-assessments are up to 18 months overdue because DWP are having so many new PIP claims that they have to prioritise those over re-assessments.

Iwasafool · 08/01/2024 17:49

Oldsu · 08/01/2024 13:15

@Iwasafool But it did not happen for 1000s of women did it? have a look at this this is not a VIEW but cold hard facts, I too had a private pension from an early age but this not about you or me its about the other women who did not can you imagine THIS being said to married women now? Even in 1966 an official enquiry by industrialists and trade unionists decided that the preservation of women's occupational pensions on marriage was unnecessary.
The ‘scandal’ of women’s pensions in Britain: how did it come about? | History and Policy

It also did happen for 1000s of women. As someone who left school at 15, had a baby at 18 it wasn't impossible.

XenoBitch · 08/01/2024 23:52

MattDamon · 08/01/2024 12:08

One of the reasons claims for LCW/LCWRA are currently so high is that there were basically no reassessments done during Covid. Claimants that were given awards before 2020 are still claiming 3 years later without any checks having been done.

The DWP doesn't have the staff (with or without contractors) to carry them all out. It's going to take years and years to sort out this mess.

I am on LCWRA, and my last re-assessment was 2019 (paper based).
I do now live in fear of that text that there is a message in my UC journal, and I will have to go through the whole process again. Except there are mumblings about LCWRA being changed to people on PIP only (which I am not). I am on UC for MH reasons, and not alone in feeling the only way out of this mess when it all really kicks off and effects me, will be suicide.

Oldsu · 09/01/2024 00:55

Iwasafool · 08/01/2024 17:49

It also did happen for 1000s of women. As someone who left school at 15, had a baby at 18 it wasn't impossible.

@Iwasafool Did you actually bother to read the link I gave you?? Once again you seem to think just because you could so could a lot of other women, I advise on pension forums so I know a lot more about pension then you obviously do, I too left school at 15 and I do not have a qualification to my name, I have 3 private pensions (two I have yet to take) a state pension which is far above the new full rate and savings but I still help up to 10 people a week apply for pension credit because they were not as fortunate as me. A bit of empathy and understanding is needed here which you seem to be lacking

Katypp · 09/01/2024 13:18

Iwasafool · 08/01/2024 10:16

Well it happened. Are we only allowed if we are supporting one view? Sorry if it bursts someone's bubble that women did have opportunities in the 70s. Once I got my qualifications I made sure the people I was managing got the same chances. At one point all the clerical staff in my team were attending courses. Maybe you'd be happier if that hadn't happened.

Clearly when I started work in the mid 1980s at 18 I was very junior. But I have never worked anywhere that has not offered a workplace pension before they became compulsory (this is when my colleague opted out of paying £3 a week)
I agree that the WASPI women have a just cause. But to say that women could not pay into workplace pensions in the 80s is rubbish.
I do wonder why people insist on pushing the agenda that women are eternal victims?

Bromptotoo · 09/01/2024 13:26

@Katypp quite simply it depends on where you worked.

Workplace pensions were far from universal and where they were take up was way below 100% which was why auto-enrolment was introduced. Even then I've worked with people who chose to opt out becuase the £50/month was too much for their family budget.

In reality aged 18 is an excellent time to put money in a pension as you will have years of growth. In reality many 18 year olds think being 60 or 70 is so far in the future it's not worth thinking about - their parents are still under 50!.

Women were more likely than men to fall through that net for all the usual reasons.

Katypp · 09/01/2024 13:26

Oldsu · 09/01/2024 00:55

@Iwasafool Did you actually bother to read the link I gave you?? Once again you seem to think just because you could so could a lot of other women, I advise on pension forums so I know a lot more about pension then you obviously do, I too left school at 15 and I do not have a qualification to my name, I have 3 private pensions (two I have yet to take) a state pension which is far above the new full rate and savings but I still help up to 10 people a week apply for pension credit because they were not as fortunate as me. A bit of empathy and understanding is needed here which you seem to be lacking

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But we are not talking about today's pensioners. We are talking about people due to retire in the next 10-20 years. These are the people who have had opportunities to make arrangements for their old age over and above the state pension and have chosen not to. I see no reason why the working population should compensate them for their bad choices. I will retire in 11 years time by the way.