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What welfare cuts do you think Sunak is about to announce in budget?

176 replies

caringcarer · 07/01/2024 15:06

It's been reported that Richi Sunak said there will be tax cuts in the budget before the election and then more after the election so people who work hard will gain more and the government will curb spending on welfare. So, what welfare cuts do you think he is planning? I wonder whether he will reduce the triple lock on pensions to a double lock. Will he make single parents with DC over 7 work more hours to get UC top up. So maybe make them work 20 or even 25 hours. Do you think the £300 CoL payments will stop, as inflation is now much lower? I'm not advocating for these cuts just curious to what they could be. Can anyone think of others they might implement? Also which tax cuts could he be thinking of introducing? Threshold going up from £12,500 to £13k or inheritance tax go up a bit?

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caringcarer · 07/01/2024 19:35

Atethehalloweenchocs · 07/01/2024 19:14

I wonder whether he will reduce the triple lock on pensions to a double lock.

Not before an election!

Ah, but he said some changes before election and some after. I wondered if he'd save the triple to double lock until after the election. Anyway Labour have not said they'd keep it either. I think a double lock, might be a change they can make because if they keep average earnings and inflation I think that gives pensioners pretty good support, just remove the 2.5 percent which if inflation is low won't be needed anyway as average earnings would be used and if inflation is high then inflation would be used.

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TheFairyCaravan · 07/01/2024 19:37

If they started means testing PIP it would render me housebound. Atm I have an adapted car on Motability which means I can get out to physio appointments and I pay for acupuncture, but if they took my PIP away I would not be able to afford a second car.

Instead of going after the poor and the sick, as per bloody usual, they should start looking at the Michelle Mones of this world. I’m so sick of being demonised when it’s not us at the bottom, it’s those at the top who are taking the piss.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 07/01/2024 19:42

Yes, get where you are coming from, but since their voter base is so heavily skewed towards those who are retired, I would just be really surprised if they mess with their pensions at all. But hey, there are a lot of things they do which make no sense to me.

Katypp · 07/01/2024 19:47

Dibblydoodahdah · 07/01/2024 19:28

But not every workplace offered them, that’s the point. They weren’t offered to part time workers or those on fixed term temporary contracts. In fact not all employers offered them even if you worked full time. My DH used to work for an employer that didn’t offer one. As a 48 year old I paid into SERPS when I wasn’t able to get a workplace pension. I will be seriously fucked off if I don’t get a state pension considering all the NI I have paid over the years.

I didn't say the state pension should be stopped, I said the triple lock should be stopped for those coming up to retirement age.

BubbleBubbleBubbleBubblePop · 07/01/2024 20:03

Chewbecca · 07/01/2024 18:58

I think it’s more for physio, extra power costs, equipment, things directly related to the disability, not so much the consequences and definitely not related to the loss of income.

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Maybe it'll somehow be assessed on a needs basis then? My dad gets DLA - higher rate mobility and care. Along with pension and pension credit. This equals around £1600-£1700 a month. Not including his housing benefit and council tax benefit. However he doesn't get any kind of physio, carers, equipment (he does have a manual wheelchair and zimmer frame which he was given by OT). He doesn't incur any extra costs as a result of his disability (a neurological condition). So perhaps they'll start assessing individual people's needs and award based on that?

Meditationspider · 07/01/2024 20:04

Maybe he should sort out the nhs waiting lists first. So many people in poor and declining physical and mental health, stuck on benefits while waiting for treatment. It seems like a double kick in the teeth to then talk about taking benefits away.

ActDottie · 07/01/2024 20:09

He won’t touch the triple lock too many older people vote Tory.

topnoddy · 07/01/2024 20:12

He's desperately trying to appeal to anyone who might even think about voting Tory Scum in the election

AllAroundMyCat · 07/01/2024 20:14

I think he's going for those on long term sick but not those whose disability is preventing them from working.

To be fair, an awful lot of people seem to be off with stress, anxiety and other mental health issues.
This needs to be addressed by increased funding into the NHS, particularly looking as to why.

OptimismStart · 07/01/2024 20:20

i would say, i read an awful lots of threads by people advising the taxpayers on mn, that they will be stopping work or cutting back the hours they work, to go on benefits instead as benefits are lucrative for them, even though they WOULD OTHERWISE want to work or want to work many more hours.

Those benefits should be removed. reader, you know the name/s of such benefits. yes, those benefits.

Kendodd · 07/01/2024 20:33

I think they'll cut benefits for disabled people so they can cut inheritance tax for the richest 4% of estates.

Switcher · 07/01/2024 20:35

Hopefully the triple lock but of course we'll all be wanting that in a few decades when we can't live on our pensions

Britneyfan · 07/01/2024 20:38

It’s not going to be pensions obviously. The way he’s talking about it, it seems clear it’s going to be sickness/disability benefits.

keylemon · 07/01/2024 20:38

I would wait to see the details rather than speculate about it.

Oldsu · 07/01/2024 20:44

Katypp · 07/01/2024 19:20

I have been in the workplace for the past 38 years @chewbacca and workplace pensions were a thing when I started work in 1986. I will maybe agree that starting now might be a bit harsh but I don't think we can go on supplementing people who chose not to make their own arrangements. I woman I worked with went to the bother of opting out of her workplace pension when they became mandatory a few years back. She was paying £3 a week but didn't want to even do that!

@Katypp 38 years is that all? try 53 years (51 before reaching pension age ) read this and then come back and tell me how older pensioners were supposed to pay into a private pension particularly this bit Even in 1966 an official enquiry by industrialists and trade unionists decided that the preservation of women's occupational pensions on marriage was unnecessary
The ‘scandal’ of women’s pensions in Britain: how did it come about? | History and Policy

The ‘scandal’ of women’s pensions in Britain: how did it come about?

https://www.historyandpolicy.org/policy-papers/papers/the-scandal-of-womens-pensions-in-britain-how-did-it-come-about

ElevenSeven · 07/01/2024 20:45

I wonder whether he will reduce the triple lock on pensions to a double lock

Pensions are absolutely not considered ‘welfare’ by Conservative Governments, so there’s no chance it will be this.

It will be people of working age who are not in work.

TerrysOrangeScot · 07/01/2024 20:47

It terrifies me every time they mention disability and benefit changes as a parent of a pre teen who will never work a day in their life. The hoops you jump through for DLA is already hard and PiP is meant to be harder, we have moved to the new Scottish child disability system and I wonder if they change the English system will Scotland have to follow suit?

Surely we go after those not paying tax that cost the government more than those claiming welfare.

Shinyandnew1 · 07/01/2024 20:53

Surely we go after those not paying tax that cost the government more than those claiming welfare

But that’s all their Tory mates, so that will never happen.

He’ll probably try to make it much harder for anyone to make any sort of benefit claim. The Daily Mail readers hate the thought of anyone not working but still getting a ‘handout.

OptimismStart · 07/01/2024 20:57

actually, if rishi can make all those able to work work and cut unnecessary benefits and unnecessary waste in benefits, (the only valid benefit i see is for disability), i might just vote tories for first time in my life.

Katypp · 07/01/2024 21:04

Oldsu · 07/01/2024 20:44

@Katypp 38 years is that all? try 53 years (51 before reaching pension age ) read this and then come back and tell me how older pensioners were supposed to pay into a private pension particularly this bit Even in 1966 an official enquiry by industrialists and trade unionists decided that the preservation of women's occupational pensions on marriage was unnecessary
The ‘scandal’ of women’s pensions in Britain: how did it come about? | History and Policy

I am not talking about older pensioners I am taking about people reaching retirement age in the next few years. Those who have not retired yet

NoraBattysCurlers · 07/01/2024 21:05

If you are likely to inherit over £325,000, you could be better off. Otherwise, you will almost certainly be poorer.

The disabled will face the worst of the cuts. Those with with mobility issues who struggle to leave the house already face having their benefits cut by £4,680 per year. It is likely that we will see further cuts in this area.

Benefits across the board will see real cuts. People on universal credit will be particularly badly affected.

Many council workers, teaching assistants and school support staff will lose their jobs. Those relying on council services will be badly hit.

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Iwasafool · 07/01/2024 21:09

Chewbecca · 07/01/2024 19:08

as the upcoming generation of pensioners have had ample opportunity and advice to make arrangements for a comfortable retirement by paying into either a workplace or private

This is just not true. Women who are becoming eligible for SP this year were probably born in 1958, starting work in 1974. The workplace and lifetime of work for these women has been nothing like what women working in the last 20 years experienced. The difference in expectation and opportunity for men and women in the workplace for most of their careers is just unimaginably vast.

I'm in my 70s and getting the work place pension I was paying into in the 1970s. I progressed at work as my employer gave me day release to college for 4 years, paid my fees, gave me study leave for exams. It wasn't that bleak in the 70s.

Overthebow · 07/01/2024 21:10

OptimismStart · 07/01/2024 20:57

actually, if rishi can make all those able to work work and cut unnecessary benefits and unnecessary waste in benefits, (the only valid benefit i see is for disability), i might just vote tories for first time in my life.

I would vote for them too. I’d like to see benefits tightened up/cut for those who can work, and make benefits more generous for those who absolutely can’t so they can have more than the basics.

kitsuneghost · 07/01/2024 21:20

nationallampoons · 07/01/2024 15:15

If he touches benefits then that's the tories well and truly over

Benefits are not this fortune people believe

Don't know that tories have a big fan base of people on benefits anyway. He would more likely try and sway working/middle class that do not qualify for anything.