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The Fantastic Frugalleers Meander into May.....

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Girliefriendlikesflowers · 25/05/2016 14:38

Thought it was about time I started a new thread Grin

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ipsogenix · 21/06/2016 20:57

Purple yes I think that exercise should, especially if the angry thought is channeled into the exercise. I find that channeling my frustrations into really vigorous house cleaning is very effective. I suppose that's also why so many mums seem to do marathon running now.

Need That's great that the pain killers are working. Sorry to hear about the side effects. Ds is still in a bit of a bad mood, but I think it may partly just be him growing up. Perhaps 6 is more of a stroppy age. :-) That's great about the job. Well done. Smile

Cagliostro · 21/06/2016 21:38

Ipso following on from the anxiety discussion I would love to know more about noradrenaline. Is it the same as norepinephrine? The medication I used to take affected the levels of that, and my heart has done funny things ever since. The fight or flight thing never worked for me. I do the third option... I freeze.

Whataboutwhathuh · 21/06/2016 21:53

Took ds1 to the toy shop to spend his pocket money. He opted for a toot toot construction set. I thought it was a bit young for him (he's just turned 3) but as ds2 will want to play too and he's 9 months I thought it was a good option. He's happy with it so that's all that matters. I also bought a birthday present for a friend's little girl but got it home to see the age is 5+ and she's turning 3 so i will return it.

Ememem84 · 21/06/2016 22:03

Congrats what

purple sorry things are so stressful for you.

ipsos oops re party!! Sad

girlie I love hedgehogs. Mums cats used to get them and bring them in. They make a hell of a racket when they can't get out...!!

Accupuncture hurt today (probably because of period....boooo!). She needled for stress anxiety sleep digestion and period pain. Feel more relaxed for it.

Have come home had dinner (spicy pork mince lettuce wraps - yum) and have done some washing and putting away (or put things back in the right room). Sorted outfit for tomorrow and have settled down for bed.

Nails are getting done tomorrow. Yippee!!

ipsos ive been googling anxiety and it's interesting trying to understand how my body's working when I'm getting anxious/stressed. It's annoying but amazing!

ipsogenix · 21/06/2016 22:32

Cag Epinephrine is the american word for adrenaline and norepinephrine is the american word for noradrenaline. I actually don't know anything about noradranaline but a quick google suggest that they do much the same thing and are just released from different places. Apparently adrenaline is also a breakdown product of noradrenaline.

The drug that you were taking would be to reduce the effect or the amount of this hormone in your body that mediates the fight or flight reaction. That's very interesting that you freeze in stressful situations. I tend to stand around looking like a stuffed owl, while my inner self imperceptibly freaks out like an angry cat with its hair all standing on end. :-)

ipsogenix · 21/06/2016 22:34

Em It really is fascinating isn't it? I like to think that we ladies have all this anxiety because we have such important and complicated roles in life, and impeccable self-control. I bet CEOs of large companies also have a lot of carefully hidden anxiety.

Cagliostro · 21/06/2016 23:38

Cheers Ipso. I find it all really intriguing.

The drug I was on was actually an SSNRI so 'inhibiting the reuptake of norepinephrine (and seratonin) so I suppose that means I had more of it in my system? Or something. Anyway, as I said, my heart has done funny things since then, it made me feel bad as soon as I started it, but after a couple of years on it and not actually feeling any better (sorry if this upsets anyone) I took an OD of it. Was in ICU etc. I have a diagnosis of POTS - postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome - but sometimes I wonder if it was the drugs that actually kicked all that off. Bad choices in my teens kicking me in the bum now.

ANYWAY. Onto more cheerful things. I have another maths class tomorrow! :) And two of them want to try piano afterwards. :)

babsmam · 22/06/2016 06:25

Ah cag (((hugs)))). Sounds like it wasn't the right meds for you.
It's very interesting the anxiety stuff.
Good news on the job need. Hope the side effects wear off soon.
Purple ((hugs))
Girlie the chaos will be worth it and dd will be fine.
I rescued a hedgehog one from the play park and took it to our vets. It had been attacked. Sad

LSD yesterday £4 fruit and £4 fitness,
Today will be more of the same

PurpleRibbons · 22/06/2016 08:36

Sorry about your DD's party cag. I wondered about a home ed group. It's something to think about if things don't improve at work. I would enjoy teaching my subject without the constraints of an exam syllabus I think.
Going out in a minute to buy friend a birthday present, aiming for around the £10 mark plus a nice card, it's a special birthday!

ipsogenix · 22/06/2016 10:15

Cag That's a hard thing you've been through with that drug. I'm sorry to hear that. Well done for having come so far since then. You're a star.

About the drug - I think that "inhibiting reuptake" means this:

The fight or flight hormone is released as a natural and healthy process into your system to mobile your body into a fighting state during times of stress.

In order for it to do its job it has to travel round your body and get to the places where the extra fighting power is needed. For example your heart, which needs to pump harder, your leg muscles which need to work harder to run, and your lungs which need to breathe harder to supply the oxygen for all this work.

I think that when the hormone reaches those organs, the organs have to "take it up", which means that each little hormone molecule has to bind to a protein in the organ, and stick there. This is more or less like a key slotting into a lock in the organ (heart, muscle etc).

When the drug does its "reuptake inhibiting", I think that it is effectively inserting a dud key into all of the little locks in your organs so that the fight or flight hormone can no longer enter those locks.

So in effect, your body was flooded with fight or flight hormones because of stress, but the hormones couldn't lock into the organs that were meant to respond to it. The hormone was still there though, pumping round and round aimlessly.

The problem I see is that the hormone is not broken down until it slots into those locks. Slotting in to the lock is the trigger that causes the hormone to fall apart and be processed down to component parts for reuse. If the locks are bunged up with a drug then the hormone can't be broken down and your body cannot naturally reset to a resting state.

From my view of it, I'd much rather do lots of fighting and fleeing (and angry house cleaning) so that the hormone can bind the locks in its natural way, and be naturally broken down. It seems much healthier than just bunging up the system completely with a drug.

Does that make sense? I'm not an animal biologist, I do plants, but I think I'm getting that right. I'm not sure why your heart has been funny since then. Physiology is very complex and there are all sorts of reasons why that could happen I suppose. Shame for your poor heart muscle though. Brew and Cake for it.

PurpleRibbons · 22/06/2016 10:20

That makes a lot of sense ipso.
Think I'm going to be brave and talk to SLT about my concerns/worries. I just hope I'm brave enough, I have never been able to ask for help or admit that I'm struggling.

ipsogenix · 22/06/2016 10:28

I've had a small personal frugaleering victory. I paid a window cleaner to clean our windows and he did the outside of the greenhouse too. Much better than me slogging it out for hours. Yay! It was £38 for a detached house and an 8' x 10' greenhouse.

ipsogenix · 22/06/2016 10:28

Well done Purple. Who is SLT?

WreckTangled · 22/06/2016 10:38

Argh I want to set up online banking with hsbc before I switch but you need a telephone banking number and a secure key but no one answers their bloody phones AngryAngry I've been waiting for 15 minutes only to get cut off

needastrongone · 22/06/2016 10:56

Ipsos, you need to think about teaching, as you explain science very well you know.

Just a quick post while at work, I will catch up later.

ipsogenix · 22/06/2016 11:09

Thanks need. :-) That was why I thought about getting into writing as it's kind of like teaching, without the need for immediate people skills and conflict resolution. I think I could be good at that.

PurpleRibbons · 22/06/2016 12:36

ipso SLT is senior leadership team. I'm getting a nervous feeling of dread just thinking about admitting I'm struggling. Have bought some rescue remedy, it has helped me in the past. At £7.99 a bottle it's not cheap so I hope it will relax me enough to get some decent sleep!

Fluffycloudland77 · 22/06/2016 13:29

£55 food in aldi.

WreckTangled · 22/06/2016 13:42

Bit spendy had to go into town to pay cheques into account from my birthday. Managed to pay one in in my married name with no probs. Only went for an hour so I could get free parking.

£1.35 in boots on cotton buds and face wipes
£3.25 in tesco on bread, tomatoes and lettuce
£5.34 on a toy helicopter for ds and frisbee for dd Hmm
£8.95 on wellies for ds as his were two sizes too small Blush I went to a dingy looking shop instead of the nice riding shop so saved £6 will use them from now on.

lilacclery · 22/06/2016 13:54

Spendy but small spends wreck

ipsogenix · 22/06/2016 14:33

Purple I'm sorry to hear that they are so unapproachable. I'd imagine that there is a lot for them to gain in making your working life more feasible.

Cagliostro · 22/06/2016 14:46

Thanks for the hugs, and thank you Ipso for the further explanation!

Yes, I have come a long way. Actually I was thinking that just yesterday. I still (literally) have the scars from a rather rubbish past but when I look at my life now it's like it's forever ago. :)

Maths class and piano went pretty well today too. Yay! :)

Got a hall as well, have provisionally booked it, although now can't get hold of the entertainer... argh.

ipsogenix · 22/06/2016 14:50

Well done Cag. That's fantastic that you've come so far. It's amazing how much we all change and develop over a lifetime I suppose. :-)

WreckTangled · 22/06/2016 14:53

That's true lila I was restrained Grin

cag dd wants piano lessons Hmm you're just a bit too far from us though such a shame!

Cagliostro · 22/06/2016 15:56

Aw shame Wreck! It's a great skill though. You might be able to find a teen/uni student who could do cheap lessons :)

Aaargh I'm getting a cold. Haven't had one for a while and of course I get one right before DD's birthday... FFS Angry

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