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Myths re lockdown was wrong

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Betsyhilton · 21/10/2023 20:10

Just seen someone on another thread basically trying to claim that lockdown didnt reduce deaths. The contested John Hopkins survey seems to be encouraging people who basically behaved selfishly, ignored medical advice and did what they liked to now claim retrospectively that they just knew lockdown was wrong.

AIBU to think these are just basically selfish irresponsible people who ignored official advice at the time because it caused them inconvenience and are now jumping on any theory to try to justify their self centred behavior?

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WinterDeWinter · 21/10/2023 22:18

Fladdermus · 21/10/2023 22:15

I'm Swedish, in Sweden. I can tell you about how we managed. We're a very health conscious people and also very compliant. We didn't need a formal lockdown with police powers of enforcement because when our scientists told us to do stuff, we did it. We had a defacto lockdown in the early days when they advised us all to stay home, until everywhere had mitigating factors in place. There was a lot of trust here as decisions and recommendations were made by the scientists not the politicians.

We still have covid recommendations that everyone follows.

This. Sweden didn't have a lockdown because they are rational and community-minded and therefore didn't need one.

twqsd456 · 21/10/2023 22:19

Fairospop22 · 21/10/2023 20:41

Lockdown harmed:
▪️mothers and newborns who did not get midwife and HV visits
▪️children in care
▪️elderly people in care homes
▪️children with speech delays
▪️people in DV situations
▪️some people with mental health disorders
▪️people whose cancer diagnosis was delayed
▪️it delayed many children’s education
▪️many businesses

feel free to add more

The country finances. We are now so in debt!

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 21/10/2023 22:20

TooOldForThisNonsense · 21/10/2023 21:31

And I did obey the lockdown at the time because it was the law. Wasnt bothered about Covid or protecting the vulnerable, other people’s health is not my concern

Christ, what a charmer.

This is why we live in a shit society today with selfish attitudes like that.

Looking after a society is the responsibility of the society.

Dymaxion · 21/10/2023 22:20

@tpxqi the war in Ukraine has had no impact on inflation then ?

WinterDeWinter · 21/10/2023 22:22

"other people’s health is not my concern"

Hope you're not using the NHS then love, that wouldn't be fair would it?

Unitedthebest · 21/10/2023 22:23

We locked our innocent beautiful children up with their abusers…it is and forever will be unforgivable 😥

Parker231 · 21/10/2023 22:23

clopper · 21/10/2023 22:13

ocdmama Simply put, diagnoses were missed, but hospitals were dangerous places and choc a block.

I went to a main hospital in May 2020 at the height of it all as part of a 2 week wait cancer pathway. The hospital was deserted. I was in the special women’s section of the hospital. Women were receiving devastating news while alone with no support. Other women were going to scans and maternity appointments unsupported.

My friends daughter an A and E nurse said she had never had it so easy.

Which hospitals are you referring to?
DH worked on Covid wards and went through hell with working horrendous hours fighting to keep excessive numbers of patients alive. Wards were converted from general surgical and medical wards into Covid wards because they couldn’t handle the numbers of extremely ill patients arriving. This was common across the uk and in other countries.

baileybrosbuildingandloan · 21/10/2023 22:23

hellohellothere · 21/10/2023 20:35

I obeyed lockdown like a good little lemming but in hindsight I wouldn't if we went back in time. I had my son and was quite lonely and depressed. Lockdown led to lots of excess deaths and depression.

This is me, too.

Fahbeep · 21/10/2023 22:24

Louloulouenna · 21/10/2023 22:08

@Fahbeep there is no epidemiological evidence to show that covid cases rose in areas which had a higher take up rate of “eat out to help out”.

Thanks Rishi, will see what the Chair of the Public Inquiry says about it when reporting.

Unitedthebest · 21/10/2023 22:25

During the pandemic there were no flu deaths….🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

WestwardHo1 · 21/10/2023 22:25

ruffler45 · 21/10/2023 21:46

At the end of the day we were fighting a war against an new enemy that we did not know how to fight. Now (with hindsight) everyone wants to blame someone (Boris et al) who had to make sweeping decisions that some people did not like.

God know how the people of today would have reacted during WW2

Oh just fuck off with the comparisons to WWII! They are so trite.i can almost guarantee you know very little about the war.

During the war people were not forbidden to socially engage with one another. They weren't forbidden to turn to one another for company and comfort. There weren't state advised sexual positions FFS! Children weren't kept apart. Women weren't denied their social circles and chats and friends and sources of strength.

You think no one moaned in the war? That there wasn't corruption and rule breaking?

WinterDeWinter · 21/10/2023 22:26

Unitedthebest · 21/10/2023 22:23

We locked our innocent beautiful children up with their abusers…it is and forever will be unforgivable 😥

This is utterly cynical. You're using abused children to make an ideological point. I don't believe you give a toss in reality.

HelinaHandcart · 21/10/2023 22:27

Unitedthebest · 21/10/2023 22:23

We locked our innocent beautiful children up with their abusers…it is and forever will be unforgivable 😥

You’re really disgusting.

Unitedthebest · 21/10/2023 22:28

Reality…yes reality…and that is that we locked children and vulnerable people up with people that killed then…and no one knew. I’m a teacher…school is a safe place for so many children in society…and they took that away. Educate yourself.

Bananagirl23 · 21/10/2023 22:29

Not sure how the OP can call people selfish on this thread for pointing out how much society was damaged by lockdown. Schools should never have been closed and the detrimental impact of this on children and teens is shocking.

Unitedthebest · 21/10/2023 22:30

For advocating children who are abused? How is that disgusting? We do not yet know the true reality of what abuse and subsequent death was caused to vulnerable children and people from lockdown.
*and yes I followed all the rules and was triple jabbed.

WeeWillyWinkie9 · 21/10/2023 22:31

Lockdown showed that mental health is not biological.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 21/10/2023 22:32

Unitedthebest · 21/10/2023 22:23

We locked our innocent beautiful children up with their abusers…it is and forever will be unforgivable 😥

Actually, quite early on the issue of abuse was raised and the Home Secretary said that fleeing abuse was not an illegal lockdown breach.

We had a thread on here where a woman commandeered the marital car to flee whilst her "D"H was out running his morning 5k, posted six hours later to say that she was safe at her sister's. She had something like a 30 minute daily window in which to grab everything and leave. My point being that victims can and did leave.

When I was at primary school, I was being bullied, beaten, and sexually assaulted at school whilst being safe and loved at home. School is not abuse-free and safe. I could argue that a benefit of lockdown was that the 200 police-reported pupil-on-pupil boy-on-girl rapes per year in our schools stopped happening for a while. Children abused by (step-)parents aren't safe when they get home from school in any case, so your point isn't as convincing as you think it is.

Thisisnotlikehim · 21/10/2023 22:33

Lockdown was the lesser of two evils. Letting covid just run rampant would have caused irreparable harm to many. You can’t come back from death - but harms caused by lockdown have more chance of being rectified at least.

We were looking at Italy and seeing what we were in for. I don’t think there was a choice.

clopper · 21/10/2023 22:34

Which hospitals are you referring to?
DH worked on Covid wards and went through hell with working horrendous hours fighting to keep excessive numbers of patients alive. Wards were converted from general surgical and medical wards into Covid wards because they couldn’t handle the numbers of extremely ill patients arriving. This was common across the uk and in other countries.

I’m not outing myself on here. It was in UK. Not a London hospital. I am talking about my experience and what I saw.

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:34

I know more people who got divorced during lockdown that who died of covid.
In fact thinking about it I don't know of anyone personally who died of covid.

Dymaxion · 21/10/2023 22:34

Lockdown showed that mental health is not biological.

Bit controversial that one !

Remaker · 21/10/2023 22:35

Ozgirl75 · 21/10/2023 20:26

So I was in Australia where we basically had a countrywide quarantine with a couple of lockdowns which went on until there were vaccines. We then slowly opened and allowed covid to run through a largely fully vaccinated population.
And yet I’m pretty sure that I’ve read that our death rate was overall similar to other countries when you take into account deaths by other causes that were missed due to lockdowns. I believe that our youth suicide rate also increased significantly.

I am also in Australia. If you did read any of that it would have been on the Facebook page of a RW conspiracy theorist. None of it is true!

With a quick internet search I discovered the actual information showing that Australia’s excess death rate from 2020-2023 is at the lower end when compared to the rest of the world and significantly lower than say the UK or USA.

Excess deaths worldwide

I haven’t found any evidence of our youth suicide rate increasing significantly.

None of this is to say that I am categorically in favour of lockdowns or think that we couldn’t have done better in our response. But equally I don’t think the answer is just to make shit up to support your views.

Estimated cumulative excess deaths per 100,000 people during COVID, from The Economist

For countries that have not reported all-cause mortality data for a given week, an estimate is shown, with uncertainty interval. If reported data is available, that value only is shown. On the map, only the central estimate is shown.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-per-100k-economist

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 21/10/2023 22:35

WeeWillyWinkie9 · 21/10/2023 22:31

Lockdown showed that mental health is not biological.

Except for all the cases when it is biological, like autism-related depression, and bipolar disorder, and dissociative identity disorder...

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 21/10/2023 22:36

Thisisnotlikehim · 21/10/2023 22:33

Lockdown was the lesser of two evils. Letting covid just run rampant would have caused irreparable harm to many. You can’t come back from death - but harms caused by lockdown have more chance of being rectified at least.

We were looking at Italy and seeing what we were in for. I don’t think there was a choice.

You can’t come back from death - but harms caused by lockdown have more chance of being rectified at least.

This.