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Myths re lockdown was wrong

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Betsyhilton · 21/10/2023 20:10

Just seen someone on another thread basically trying to claim that lockdown didnt reduce deaths. The contested John Hopkins survey seems to be encouraging people who basically behaved selfishly, ignored medical advice and did what they liked to now claim retrospectively that they just knew lockdown was wrong.

AIBU to think these are just basically selfish irresponsible people who ignored official advice at the time because it caused them inconvenience and are now jumping on any theory to try to justify their self centred behavior?

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VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 21/10/2023 22:38

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:34

I know more people who got divorced during lockdown that who died of covid.
In fact thinking about it I don't know of anyone personally who died of covid.

And this is why scientists use empirical data to make decisions and don't just say "well I don't know anyone with X so it can't have happened".

WeeWillyWinkie9 · 21/10/2023 22:39

Except for all the cases when it isbiological, like autism-related depression, and bipolar disorder, and dissociative identity disorder...

You mean the ones that the diagnostic people admit are not biological! Yeah those too!

Fahbeep · 21/10/2023 22:39

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:34

I know more people who got divorced during lockdown that who died of covid.
In fact thinking about it I don't know of anyone personally who died of covid.

I think you are right. No one one died from covid because you didn't know them, so they didn't exist, or matter. It was just a con to control us all for two years 🙄.

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:39

And this is why scientists use empirical data to make decisions and don't just say "well I don't know anyone with X so it can't have happened".

Wow, I missed being patronised on covid threads, really takes me back.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 21/10/2023 22:41

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:39

And this is why scientists use empirical data to make decisions and don't just say "well I don't know anyone with X so it can't have happened".

Wow, I missed being patronised on covid threads, really takes me back.

Don't talk shite and I won't get the sarcasm out.

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:41

I think you are right. No one one died from covid because you didn't know them, so they didn't exist, or matter. It was just a con to control us all for two years 🙄.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I accidentally type a post and then get amnesia or did you just make some crap up?

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:42

Don't talk shite and I won't get the sarcasm out.

How is my personal experience "shite", you rude pratt?

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:44

The covid topic is as deranged as ever. People are kinder and politer to each other on the Israel threads.

WinterDeWinter · 21/10/2023 22:44

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:42

Don't talk shite and I won't get the sarcasm out.

How is my personal experience "shite", you rude pratt?

It's not your experience that's shite, it's your extrapolating from it to anything at all.

Thisisnotlikehim · 21/10/2023 22:45

A doctor friend of mine was in touch with colleagues in Italy before we locked down. I’ve never seen an expression on his face like it before or since. He looked haunted by what he knew was coming. I know ICU doctors and Jesus Christ it was traumatic for them. Lockdown was a necessary evil. It has its costs but so many families lost loved ones. I know so many people whose lives are in tatters from long covid.

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:45

It's not your experience that's shite, it's your extrapolating from it to anything at all.

And what did I extrapolate?

Fahbeep · 21/10/2023 22:47

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:41

I think you are right. No one one died from covid because you didn't know them, so they didn't exist, or matter. It was just a con to control us all for two years 🙄.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I accidentally type a post and then get amnesia or did you just make some crap up?

I made crap up for rhetorical effect. Just like you, save my crap is better than yours!

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:48

I made crap up for rhetorical effect. Just like you, save my crap is better than yours!

I didn't make anything up. Are you drunk?

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 21/10/2023 22:50

WeeWillyWinkie9 · 21/10/2023 22:39

Except for all the cases when it isbiological, like autism-related depression, and bipolar disorder, and dissociative identity disorder...

You mean the ones that the diagnostic people admit are not biological! Yeah those too!

Except that bipolar is biological, it runs in families and fMRI scans show differences between bipolar and non-bipolar brains.

Autism is also likely to be biological as it too runs in families.

DID was my mistake: I meant schizophrenia, always mixing those two up.

Fahbeep · 21/10/2023 22:52

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:48

I made crap up for rhetorical effect. Just like you, save my crap is better than yours!

I didn't make anything up. Are you drunk?

Not yet, but I might need a stiff drink after this thread. Seriously though, if I've misunderstood, what is the point you extrapolate from the fact that you didn't personally know anyone who died of Covid? I did. I knew quite a few actually. I can assure you that they were real if you were in any doubt.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 21/10/2023 22:54

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 22:42

Don't talk shite and I won't get the sarcasm out.

How is my personal experience "shite", you rude pratt?

It's not your experience that is faulty, but you deciding that your experience is universal.

I had a colleague hospitalised with covid. We have a doctor on the thread testifying that covid was pretty awful in her hospital. Yet we understand that some people didn't catch covid nor know anyone who did. You don't seem to understand that, just because it didn't happen to you, doesn't mean it didn't happen to others.

Rudderneck · 21/10/2023 22:55

Goldbar · 21/10/2023 21:00

With the benefit of hindsight, lockdown (at least in the way it was implemented) may not have been the best strategy. It has caused incalculable harm to children and young people in particular. However, some allowance must be made for the fact that such decisions are not made with 20/20 vision and everyone was in a state of panic.

What I find harder to forgive is that the promised investment in children and young people to address the effects of lockdown has not materialised and many are living unhappily with the long-term consequences to this day.

I would be more sympathetic to this POV if it had not been the case that there were, at the time, all kinds of people asking the right questions about things like trade-offs. (And it's also the case in the UK that there was a pandemic plan already in place, that was actually pretty sensible, which is what BJ originally was going to do. There is no logical reason that was axed, it was basically media pressure.)

Those questions people were bringing up, at the time, were not addressed. The government opposition was not asking, nor was the media, quite the opposite, those who were asking were put at the pointy end of a campaign to discredit them and accused of being anti-science.

Some of this was very visible, but it also happened behind the scenes. One of my close relatives who is (or was) in a fairly high practice/administration/leadership role in the health service continually tried to bring some of these things up, particularly how it was going to affect things like cancer care and prenatal care and what the long-term outcomes of that would be. He was removed from his position and his whole staff moved around - ostensibly just because they wanted change but that was a lock of bollocks.

Now, I am not in the UK, but from what I have heard and read, this stuff was going on all over the place. It wasn't just a panic response, I don't think. I don't want to suggest it was a conspiracy, but honestly I can see why some people think so.

Differentstarts · 21/10/2023 22:55

Spendonsend · 21/10/2023 20:53

I thought they always said it wasnt to reduce deaths, it was to flatten the curve so the same number of deaths took longer to ensure the health service could cope with a steady stream rather than a huge surge at once.

I have zero idea if this was good or bad for the rest of health services. Like whether cancer treatment, heart diseases etc would have been better off with a massive surge.

We cant change the decision that were made. Im more pissed off that they continue to pretend it never happened for schools and never funded a proper recovery plan for soeech, social emotional development etc.

100% this if hospitals had become overwhelmed it potentially would of come to a point where really difficult decisions on who lives and who dies may have had to be made and the thought of that I just couldn't even imagine

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 21/10/2023 22:56

The naysayers on this thread can be summarised as:

The covid virus didn't infect me or mine therefore we should not have locked down a.k.a. "I'm alright Jack".

Fimofriend · 21/10/2023 22:56

In Sweden the joke was: "Thank God that the government has said we no longer need a distance of two metres to each other. Now we can go back to the usual ten metres distance ".

Syndulla · 21/10/2023 22:56

I distinctly remember Chris Whitty talking about lockdowns during one of the early press briefings and he talked about how it was about balancing risks, and that lockdowns had repercussions for public health in other ways. We seemed to then move from a nuanced argument looking at the pros and cons, to a cult like fury against anyone who questioned lockdown. It happened very quickly as well. As though mass hysteria had taken over the country.

justasking111 · 21/10/2023 22:57

I know one person with long covid who had all the jabs, was fit no comorbidities, caught it a year ago. She's been so ill and still is. Has heart issues, gynae issues, arthritic pain all out of nowhere. She's in so much pain and just wants to die now after the year she's had.

I don't know anyone who died of covid but did know a neighbour who never left the house again as a result of covid her health declined, had carers went into hospital did catch covid and recovered. Came home fell again, broke her hip, back to hospital, died in there. Three years after the start of covid

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 21/10/2023 22:57

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 21/10/2023 22:35

Except for all the cases when it is biological, like autism-related depression, and bipolar disorder, and dissociative identity disorder...

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Mental health is mainly biological and is related to the length of serotonin genes. As well as the other conditions mentioned here. I have bad mental health. My anxiety became unbearable during Covid. The only things that contained it were masks, lockdown and many drugs. I was too scared to leave the house.

Si not having lockdown would have destroyed my mental health.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 21/10/2023 23:01

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 21/10/2023 22:57

Mental health is mainly biological and is related to the length of serotonin genes. As well as the other conditions mentioned here. I have bad mental health. My anxiety became unbearable during Covid. The only things that contained it were masks, lockdown and many drugs. I was too scared to leave the house.

Si not having lockdown would have destroyed my mental health.

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No wonder we have so many people spouting shite about Covid, comments about mental illness not being biological indicate that they don't understand anything about medicine at all.

My mum had someone turn up to her yoga class believing that yoga would cure her sister's cancer, so she was checking the class out for her. That's the level of utter ignorance we face in the UK.