Myths re lockdown was wrong

[Betsyhilton]

Just seen someone on another thread basically trying to claim that lockdown didnt reduce deaths. The contested John Hopkins survey seems to be encouraging people who basically behaved selfishly, ignored medical advice and did what they liked to now claim retrospectively that they just knew lockdown was wrong.

AIBU to think these are just basically selfish irresponsible people who ignored official advice at the time because it caused them inconvenience and are now jumping on any theory to try to justify their self centred behavior?

Fuckin "collateral damage"?. Bet none of you "deniers" didnt loose someone you love!!!. Still seeing people with no immune system terrified in A&E because others don't give a shit!!!

It's a cost benefit thing of course.

But I think it's less likely people would accept that now. Or, say, a mandated vaccination.

The way covid was handled has done a lot of damage to people's trust in the medical system.

Who is doing well, economically, now?... there's your clue

Lots of people were dying in China, as an absolute value, fatality rate of infection at that time unknown but they saw a lot of new deaths. That's the difference between Covid and H1N1.

Lots of people did question it but were called conspiracy theorists to shut them down. There were so many obvious flaws in the government propaganda.

The fact that pictures from Italy, quoted on this thread several times, were presented in a way that didn’t account for Italy’s ageing population, the remoteness of hospitals in northern Italy and average of those who died.

The fact that Covid deaths were overstated to inflate the numbers. Included anyone who does within 28 days of testing positive. Most died of completely unrelated causes. For instance if someone died in a car crash but had tested positive for Covid 4 weeks earlier, their cause of death would be stated as Covid. Total and utter lies.

The fact that there was no evidence that this illness would risk them lives of healthy under 65s. It was a disease only putting the elderly at risk. There was no logic in locking down the whole population.

The fact that children were virtually at 0 risk, yet schools were closed without any logic.

The fact that those making policies were breaking them so early on. Why on earth would you restrict your freedom when you know that people who tell you to do so don’t think of the virus as a threat to them.

the list goes on….

The same could be said of the covid tyrants: I bet none of them had somebody die due to draconian lockdowns.

If you had trust in the medical system before Covid, you were either oblivious or hella lucky.

Anyone disabled loses faith quite quickly, especially if the illness is "female-prevalent", e.g. migraines, lupus or female-only e.g. gynae issues.

Urban China has terrible air pollution, their lungs are already struggling. Not only that but air pollution blocks out the wavelength of UV radiation needed to make vitamin D, and covid is a winter/spring virus when vitamin D levels are lowest. People China were already far more vulnerable than other wealthy countries.

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Eventually the NHS admitted that vitamin D deficiency was linked to risk of covid. Take vitamin D and sunbathe, people. Especially if overweight: vitamin D is fat soluble so obese people need much higher doses.

Yeah China, that global bastion of transparency and a model for how to run public policy.

That last week in December, those Christmas plans, I was so relieved when Boris put us in to Tier 4 about fucking time
It was called Tier 4 because they didnt want to call it a lockdown. The press conference announcing this was on the 19th December 2020

THIS article on hospital acquired infections is from THE DAY BEFORE, 18th December 2020

https://www.hsj.co.uk/patient-safety/covid-infections-caught-in-hospital-rise-by-a-third-in-one-week/7029211.article

Why on earth would you restrict your freedom when you know that people who tell you to do so don’t think of the virus as a threat to them.

For the same reason that I used to clip on when my bouldering instructor told me to even though he didn't clip on himself.

People's motives for disobeying their own advice aren't always "hahaha look at the sheep" but can look like "I've done this loads of times, I'll be OK", "it's just the once, what's the chances of it going wrong", and "everyone else is doing it so I can get away with not doing it".

@Fionaville if there was a new virus with an extremely high fatality rate, I would still take my chances over suffering the misery and destruction of useless lockdowns.

I am passed caring, and it's not my responsibility to stop anyone else catching a virus.

Bedwetters can hibernate in their own homes.

Meaning that, if anything, they would understate the covid deaths to save face.

I agree with you OP

Or overstate to cause panic. Which is what actually happened. No point trying to re write history. We actually saw what happened.

What do you mean 'deniers' (the multiple!!!! don't read as a rational post) posters aren't denying covid happened. Just that the everyone and their dog must lockdown now!
It's the reverse of the ww2 spirit, the many must sacrifice and give their all to save the few, who might catch a virus and if they do, might get unwell... but yes, let's stop critical care,.Cancer treatment,.school...

To be honest bedwetters is a very kind analogy. Shrieking, hysterical chest beaters is more apt.

For someone denouncing other people’s critical thinking skills, yours seem quite lacking.

If the vast majority of the country abides by a lockdown then the rate of infection drops. The minority who choose to flout the rules (often due to an inflated sense of self importance) benefit from the majority’s compliance.

It’s like if the government placed huge restrictions on driving in order to reduce the rate of car crashes involving multiple cars. If some rule-makers persisted with breaking the rules and continued driving, they’d still have the benefit of near-empty roads due to other people’s compliance, making their journeys far safer.

But presumably, you’d be arguing that the fact some rule-makers continue driving means there’s no association between the number of cars and the number of car crashes.

Not a good comparison to the UK. Higher deaths than Nordic neighbours.

Covid tyrants? What does that mean? I had many patient and their families really distressed due to covid. It's true, I had no immediate family affected but I can assure you, I have had plenty of families worried about their loved ones due to other patients and their families possibly being contaminated and they had NO DEFENCE.
No Matter, they are only "collateral" . Don't matter as much as you do, eh

And we knew none of that at the time! Which part of "novel virus" do you fail to understand?

My then-employer, a Russell Group university, donated PCR machines from labs, postponing our own research into other things, to institutions that were researching Covid and seconded staff to them. We did this because no one knew a sodding thing about this virus other than that it got into people's lungs and killed them and spread like wildfire.

All this "the NHS admitted" conspiracy theory bullshit is predicted on the batshit certifiably insane idea that the NHS knew all this stuff about fatality rates and vitamin D all along and kept it secret. Believe me, they did not.

In the end, it's all bollocks. If there was another virus, lockdown, and threat of 10k fines for breaching rules, most of the Bravehearts on here would quietly comply with the law. Don't care what they say anonymously online, that's the truth if it.

I've worked with more Chinese researchers than you've had hot dinners. Theirs is a very face-saving, claiming every thing is fine and targets will be met when they are actually miles behind schedule, culture. When Covid started, they tried to pretend that nothing was wrong at first FFS!

no need for the mental gymnastics. You can’t re write history.

Parliament decide the law and fines for speeding, effectively telling us not to speed. Remind me what Neil Hamilton is famous for again?