Anyone thinking about skipping the latest booster?

[WoolyMammoth55]

I've had 3 jabs in total so far, and the last one made me REALLY poorly - couldn't get out of bed for a few days, crazy fever, hallucinating.

They didn't stop me getting Covid, which I've had 2 positive tests for since the first jab, and which was mild compared to how bad I was after the last booster!

I've been invited for the next booster and just can't see why I'd get it. I've had 3 jabs already so must have some protection, right? And since I keep getting it despite the jabs, I'm fairly likely to get it again in the next 6 months whether I do or don't get jabbed?

I can't see the upside.

I'm studying hard for a career change and have 2 little kids. If I had a reaction like last time I'd really struggle to keep all the balls in the air...

I'm being offered the booster because of my high BMI but don't have any co-morbidities, blood pressure good, not pre-diabetic, generally well.

Curious to know what others are thinking?

Is this another "just asking questions" type post where the poster is not remotely interested in listening to answers?

These questions have been answered, robustly, so I won't again, but I'll add some qs of y own @TropicalT

Why do you think the world's scientists and clinicians are recommending boosters to certain demographics if as you say, they are more like to cause death and increase infection risk rather than offer benefits?

Are hundreds of thousands of experts, all governments, all health bodies all part of some massive conspiracy? To what end?

Is this another "just asking questions" type post where the poster is not remotely interested in listening to answers?

It totally is.

Are you doing it for money@TropicalT You don't care about the answers because you don't have them.

Do listen to 'More or Less' on Catchup. Radio 4 4th October. Tim Harford explains all the facts and figures around the Covid vaccine. Absolutely fascinating...

What a strange answer?
Occams Razor would suggest that those "for" the vaccine etc. (i.e. those that offer no meaningful information and abuse anyone asking questions) and are promoting / defending it online are being paid.

This whole thing of branding people 'antivax' and 'conspiracy theorists' because they are looking at data coming out and curious is a lot like bullying and I am very surprised a lot of posters on here haven't been banned for their vile behaviour which is certainly not community minded, one could even think they might have vested interests at heart.

From the government to the manufacturers, lots and lots of people will be being paid to promote online disinformation and attack anyone who they see as a threat. This information is available, the government has admitted to blacklists, silencing respected scientists, CCP style abuse and so anyone who thinks that decisions have been made based on 'science' and everything has been nice and cuddly on this board over the last years needs to give their head a wobble. Or let Niall Ferguson do their accounts for a year and report the results!

I'm as curious as the next person @PoorlyLittleSpad. You can be pro consensus science and still curious.

It is just so tedious to see posters spout the same old nonsense that has been debunked time and again.

Be curious, present interesting arguments , be controversial but just more of the same old nonsense- nah. You'll have to take your chances.

And no one is being bullied.

Occams Razor would suggest that those "for" the vaccine etc. (i.e. those that offer no meaningful information and abuse anyone asking questions) and are promoting / defending it online are being paid.

There's lots of meaningful information on this thread for starters.

You do you as they say, but it is a shame if people with genuine concerns are put off posting for fear of a nasty attack from a spiteful random on the internet with zero quaifications but a lot of time and negative energy to expend on others

Equally it is a shame if someone reads some complete nonsense about vaccination from a random on the internet with zero qualifications etc etc etc

I've replied a few times on this thread. Please point out which were bullying ?

Or maybe get them deleted.

I think you're sounding spiteful now. This is a very personal attack and I doubt wether you have anything to back it up.

@PoorlyLittleSpad

Still waiting for where I was "bullying or spiteful ".

I'll take disagreeing or even sarcastic. And talking about negative energy I think you need to take a look at your last post.

And please don't hide behind the word respectfully.

I really don't think TropicalT was posting with the best of intentions, @PoorlyLittleSpad. I've seen that type of disingenuous approach too many times.

This whole thing of branding people 'antivax' and 'conspiracy theorists' because they are looking at data coming out and curious is a lot like bullying and I am very surprised a lot of posters on here haven't been banned for their vile behaviour which is certainly not community minded, one could even think they might have vested interests at heart.

@PoorlyLittleSpad

I am very happy to try and answer people's questions or link them to info, and have been for quite some time.

The number of people posting who actually are interested in finding out more, or getting an explanation for something they percieve to be worrying about vaccines (which generally yes, do turn out to be conspiracy theories) are tiny.

Instead, you will repeatedly see a poster sharing something that is simply not true, and when they are given a reasonable explantion they don't engage. Instead they swerve onto a new point and the cycle repeats. This has been going on for 3 years now, with specific conspiracy theories still coming up even though there are multiple entire threads with well qualified MN posters giving detailed explanations as to why these claims are not true.

When someone posts something that looks unlikely to be true, it's normally posted by someone on social media. I must have followed hundreds of these claims back to the source at this point, and I have never found one that is actually backed up by robust evidence. Normally it is a statistic, number or statement taken wildly out of context.

I agree there is often a lot of hostility HOWEVER this is in the context of a highly politicised landscape where health misinformation costs lives and causing preventable disability, whilst people at the top of the anti-vaccine pyramid profit richly from pushing out disinformation. This is a very significant concern for those who work in public health and has implications beyond COVID and the SARS-COV-2 vaccines.

This information is available, the government has admitted to blacklists, silencing respected scientists...

The scientists/clinicians (I used the term loosely) who claim to be "silenced" are those who seem to be shoutest the loudest about being silenced, and yet making the most money from these claims @PoorlyLittleSpad

There are entire threads dedicated to explaining how the claims made by people like Malhotra, Cambpell, McCullough etc are not backed up by robust evidence, and how they make far more doing this than they would as a normal physician or scientist.

Do you have a specific "respected scientist" in mind? Very happy to discuss them, or link to a previous thread if so.

This is not the same thing as the government choosing to not follow evidence based policy (and so yes, ignoring science) in terms of COVID & vaccine rollout, but it all gets merged together and I don't think it's what you're referring to.

This whole thing of branding people 'antivax' and 'conspiracy theorists' because they are looking at data coming out and curious is a lot like bullying and I am very surprised a lot of posters on here haven't been banned for their vile behaviour which is certainly not community minded, one could even think they might have vested interests at heart.

No it's not a lot like bullying.

They are stupid generic labels granted. And a lot of that gets bandied about on these highly polarised threads.You know, tin hat, anti. vax , conspiracist, sheep, robot, drunk the cool aid.

Show me bullying on this thread.

And please don't speak about community minded in defence of posters who post information relating to health that is simply incorrect. That is about as far from community minded as you can get.

What I notice now and I see it in your post is the whole victim stance - using words like bullying. And you also see coercion used frequently.

@PoorlyLittleSpad

Not been offered it yet, what’s the criteria this time?

I just wish I was eligible this time round. I'd bite their hands off for it. Roll on 2024 when apparently the jab will be available privately.

JUst catching up with the last few days but is

In the following three images we can see how Moderna and Pfizer both market their mRNA injections as an "operating system" and "software" as the Luciferian Fascist Jesuit Illuminati Freemasonic Cabal must put everything in plain sight to get "manufactured

Serious or a piss take? I mean, if it's serious then Luciferian Fascist Jesuit Illuminati Freemasonic Cabal is, to put it mildly,* *a pretty unlikely combination of organisations. It's pretty telling about what conspiracy theories some people steep themselves in, mind. All bases covered there. A sort of 'one conspiracy theory fits all.'

I had my last jab a couple of weeks ago . Every single time I have been ill for a couple of days but the last one was the worse. I still haven't recovered my energy levels.

Oh, that's rubbish, I'm sorry! I hope it improves soon.

I had the opposite experience - one day of feeling a bit rubbish after the jabs rather than 3/4 days previously.

My DH had his Covid booster on Friday. No effects. Could have had his flu jab at the same time, but had that today as we both had them booked in (I had to pay privately this time). I would have had the Covid booster had it been offered.

I had 3 jabs and will not be having another. i am not one of these anti vaxxers but I had so many issues after my last booster. Hair loss, awful headache, vomiting, flu symptoms etc. never again. It doesn’t stop the transmission and other countries are looking into the efficacy of the vaccine. I don’t trust these are worth having.

I prefer to keep as safe as possible so I don’t get covid.

I would follow your intuition on this one and do what you feel is best.