Page 9 | If you could go back in time, would you still get the jab?

SquigglePigs · 29/12/2022 20:06

Yes, definitely. I only haven't had my fourth because I tested positive 3 days before I was due to have it. Why on earth would you not!!?!

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Quweenie · 29/12/2022 20:09

EmmaAgain22 · 29/12/2022 19:47

Hadn't the take up reduced?

and if you think of certain things that are socially unacceptable to say, I think this falls into that category.

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Sorry, I’m not sure what your question is?

Was that meant for me?

I started the thread.

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Quweenie · 29/12/2022 20:11

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 29/12/2022 19:55

I’d just like to add, these friends aren’t your typical empty headed Daily Mail readers either.
More than half are academics, one barrister etc

I've known and worked with people who were utterly at the top of their game in their particular fields and who still shouldn't have been allowed without someone to hold their hands when they crossed the road. Being an academic or a barrister doesn't necessarily mean anything once they are straying outside their expertise.

And given that the DM site is one of the most popular news sites in the English speaking world I'd bet they aren't all airheads.

pressgazette.co.uk/media-audience-and-business-data/media_metrics/most-popular-websites-news-world-monthly-2/

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain

I've known and worked with people who were utterly at the top of their game in their particular fields and who still shouldn't have been allowed without someone to hold their hands when they crossed the road.

I can definitely agree with that. 😂

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twelly · 29/12/2022 20:13

Maybe the first one, the second one I felt again under pressure - but I would not have had the third one at all

mouse70 · 29/12/2022 20:13

Yes all 4 here.

XenoBitch · 29/12/2022 20:13

Quweenie · 29/12/2022 19:59

Thank you! Someone gets it.

It is a completely hypothetical question with lots of nuances and anecdotes!

However, it has made for an interesting read to be honest, a lot more than I thought are saying the same on this thread.

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It makes me scratch my head tbh.

If anyone asks about side effects, it must mean they are anti-vax. If anyone says they struggled with side effects - they must be anti-vax. Had Covid as an unvaccinated person and was not that ill? - you must be anti-vax.

Even on this thread, unvaccinated people have been called lunatics.

If there is an agenda anywhere regarding the vaccine, I do not think it is from the anti-vax side.

ALittleBitAhAh · 29/12/2022 20:14

I think this is an interesting thread. I'm uncertain. I work in the NHS and many colleagues are choosing not to have any boosters. I had the first three and haven't gone back for any further. For a variety of reasons, covered by others already really.

megletthesecond · 29/12/2022 20:16

Of course. No side effects from 4 jabs and no covid. I'm heading for fifty and have no desire to have down time feeling ill.

magicthree · 29/12/2022 20:16

Yes, all four of them, and if I am offered more I will take them.

tickticksnooze · 29/12/2022 20:16

People tend to be spineless in group settings. Chances are they were just nodding along regardless of what their views are or what they would have said if asked one to one.

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Quweenie · 29/12/2022 20:17

1dayatatime · 29/12/2022 20:06

Yes but...

I found it really disturbing the amount of societal, legal and employment pressure put on those who chose not to have the jab, for example Pimlico Plumbers firing anyone who didn't have the jab or making foreign travel impossible or the Canadian truckers situation. Plus the vitriol and nastiness shown towards those who chose not to be vaccinated.

It really was a dark period of human rights and has made me realise how easy it is to strip away human rights, turn people against each other and create a league of informants if given the right bogeyman.

Secondly I disagreed with it being called a "vaccine". The chicken pox , smallpox polio vaccines are vaccines because they prevent in most cases ever getting the virus. However the covid jab reduced the seriousness of covid if you caught ( which is absolutely and definitely worthwhile) but didn't stop you getting covid or passing it on. Plus anyone pointing this out was for a period of time denounced as an anti vaxxer. Actually it is more like the annual flu jab. It surprised me that so many people thought once they got the jab they were immune from ever getting Covid.

Thirdly that the effectiveness of the jab declines over time so that after 270 days from the last jab all those that are / were vehemently in favour of having the jab are effectively now in the same position medically as the unvaccinated.

Fourthly, I really disagreed with rolling it out to children when they were at minimal risk especially when children are not routinely vaccinated against things like chickenpox which they are at serious risk of.

Lastly after reading some of the responses in this post and accusations of hidden agendas or being a "bot" or whatever that the obsessive zeal and nastiness shown during the last two years is still there.

But that said given my age and BMI I do not regret having the jab nor regret having an annual flu jab. However if I had suffered serious side effects then I might have a different opinion.

This is the most open-minded post on here.

Don’t want to say much more in case I get accused of having an agenda and/or being a bot. 😬

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LaQuern · 29/12/2022 20:17

Yes I would

EmmaAgain22 · 29/12/2022 20:20

Quweenie · 29/12/2022 20:09

Sorry, I’m not sure what your question is?

Was that meant for me?

I started the thread.

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Sorry, I was just being chatty.

I think the take up has reduced, which means many people aren't keen to have more.

I also think it's hard to get opinions as it's socially unacceptable to say that you aren't vaccinated. Your friends sound like they have been honest.

it's an interesting thread.

1dayatatime · 29/12/2022 20:21

@Quweenie

"Don’t want to say much more in case I get accused of having an agenda and/or being a bot. 😬"

+++

Thank you for your kind words.

Don't worry someone will be along soon enough anyway to shout me down with a cry of "anti vaxxer" or "witch" or whatever.

EmmaAgain22 · 29/12/2022 20:22

1day dark period in human history is so true, understating it really.

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Quweenie · 29/12/2022 20:23

EmmaAgain22 · 29/12/2022 20:20

Sorry, I was just being chatty.

I think the take up has reduced, which means many people aren't keen to have more.

I also think it's hard to get opinions as it's socially unacceptable to say that you aren't vaccinated. Your friends sound like they have been honest.

it's an interesting thread.

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Oh apologies! 😊

I find it very interesting too.

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toocold54 · 29/12/2022 20:25

Secondly I disagreed with it being called a "vaccine". The chicken pox , smallpox polio vaccines are vaccines because they prevent in most cases ever getting the virus. However the covid jab reduced the seriousness of covid if you caught ( which is absolutely and definitely worthwhile) but didn't stop you getting covid or passing it on.

I think you may be a bit confused about what a vaccine does and how it works and how herd immunity plays a big role.
Also how viruses mutate.

How many colds do we get every year, even though we’ve had a cold before.
They’re not the same cold.

If you get chicken pox once you are highly unlikely to get it again - that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to have chicken pox twice.

When we get something once (through getting it or through a vaccine) our bodies ‘remember’ it and reduces your risk of getting it next time you come into contact with it - but it’s never a guarantee that you’ll never get it again.
Unfortunately nothing works like that.

cptartapp · 29/12/2022 20:25

ALittleBitAhAh · 29/12/2022 20:14

I think this is an interesting thread. I'm uncertain. I work in the NHS and many colleagues are choosing not to have any boosters. I had the first three and haven't gone back for any further. For a variety of reasons, covered by others already really.

As a nurse I've had them all so far, but i now have an array of cardiac issues including tachycardia and arrhythmia when previously before fit and healthy. Escalated within two days of my last dose.
Not sure whether related but won't be having any more.

1dayatatime · 29/12/2022 20:28

@EmmaAgain22

I really recommend reading JK Rowling's "Ickabog", it has some really good parallels with the Covid pandemic and reactions to it in a kind of children's story / "Animal Farm" esque style.

anyolddinosaur · 29/12/2022 20:28

Sometimes a mind is so open the brains fall out.

Funnily enough in real life I never hear all these stories of people being worse after the vaccine. I know quite a lot of vaccinated people who have still not had covid. I know more than one person with long covid, I dont know their vaccination status, and I knew several who died before vaccines were available. I know some unvaccinated people and they've all been quite ill with covid, even the young ones.

Newmama29 · 29/12/2022 20:31

I really hate that anyone that questions the Covid vaccine is labelled an “anti-vaxxer”. I’m someone that has had many vaccines, all the required ones in childhood & more for my job. My child is & will continue to be vaccinated. However, I am now sceptical with the Covid jab & the crazy push the government had on absolutely everyone to get it, regardless if Covid was a massive risk on you personally. Another PP said further up thread that it’s definitely the “pro-vax” side that has more of an agenda than the opposite.

SlagathaChristie · 29/12/2022 20:31

No, I'm not sure I would. I don't think the pros outweigh the cons/risks for my age group now.

ChigedyJigHeeHawHeeHawItsDominicTheDonkey · 29/12/2022 20:33

I had a miscarriage a mere couple of weeks after the first vaccine. However as I've also had 4 miscarriages prior to it I can't 100% say for certain it was that, that caused my 5th one. I also felt like I was dying for 2 days after the first vaccine and the 2nd dose gave me an almost constant headache for around 6 weeks. However I still went on to have the 3rd and 4th ones. Got Covid back in June and breezed through it. I will add I also did not have a choice in having the vaccines done due to my job. I did hesitate slightly on the first one but was told if I didn't have it done I would no longer have a job.

toocold54 · 29/12/2022 20:35

I’m someone that has had many vaccines, all the required ones in childhood & more for my job. My child is & will continue to be vaccinated. However, I am now sceptical with the Covid jab

Why though?

Why is the covid vaccine different to every other vaccine ever created?
I’m genuinely interested why people find this one so different.

This idea happens with every new vaccine btw.

People stopped taking the polio vaccine as it apparently contained the HIV virus.

There was also a vaccine that people refused as they thought it caused autism in children.

EmmaAgain22 · 29/12/2022 20:36

Newmama29 · 29/12/2022 20:31

I really hate that anyone that questions the Covid vaccine is labelled an “anti-vaxxer”. I’m someone that has had many vaccines, all the required ones in childhood & more for my job. My child is & will continue to be vaccinated. However, I am now sceptical with the Covid jab & the crazy push the government had on absolutely everyone to get it, regardless if Covid was a massive risk on you personally. Another PP said further up thread that it’s definitely the “pro-vax” side that has more of an agenda than the opposite.

Exactly.

does anyone remember the idea that all over 50s take a polypill - was it combined statin, BP and...something else...I forget what.

profits are a huge factor in everything. That came up in conversation with some neighbours, one accused me of being anti vax, and I said "What? With my pharma shares?" He looked properly shocked.

sadly, I didn't own any of the right pharma shares....!

OP that's the suspicion...there's no nuance recognised on this issue...hence people think you are a plant to be pro or anti.